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post #31 of 86
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Originally Posted by Spyro View Post
Larry, so you are using EQ "off" with W2 and Ipod?

Can you please clarify what you mean "distortion of EQ to boost bass". I know when I use too much bass at louder volumes I hear distortion or crackling but I think you are refering to something different? I AM using EQ but not hearing distortion so I am wondering what I am not understanding here? Thanks
That means I do not use the iPod EQ, EQ is OFF, etc. In most cases I have found iPods have more distortion, both as noise/clipping and as unwanted coloration. I do all my listening and reviews with no EQ, just au naturale. The W2 handle bass boost from a good amp on my computer, without clipping, but I don't feel it is needed. It's the iPod that is usually the problem, for me at least.
post #32 of 86
the "X-bass" preset on the S9 doesn't even make them distort. And that's an insane amount of bass.
post #33 of 86
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the "X-bass" preset on the S9 doesn't even make them distort. And that's an insane amount of bass.
The problem is THE IPOD. It's been known for a long time that many iPods introduce distortion when you use the EQ. So, I don't use it. Period. There was never a problem with the W2 distorting from EQ. I don't know why the thread went in that direction.
post #34 of 86
I also set my Sony X to +1 for clearbass with the W2 and I don't hear any distortion. The Sony X has a very good EQ. Nothing like my former Creative Zen and Sansa Clip which have a bad EQ.
post #35 of 86
The only players I know to have a very usable equalizer are, from best to worse: Cowon, Sony, Samsung and...others^^ There may be other players with good EQ, but I don't know about them. Oh, and yes, Ipod Eq definately sucks.
post #36 of 86
Understood Larry. Maybe with the iPod there is no need for EQ anyway, which is good. The thread only went in this direction because you hinted at bass distortion with EQ, though you do clearly say with the iPod. Some W2 owners, myself included, do like a little bass pop with our DAPs, and so we mentioned it.

Now, the thread can veer back into the W2 review you wrote so competently.
post #37 of 86
Yea, really? I was just was asking for clarification since I have owned 4 Ipods and never experienced distortion with moderate EQ'ing. Jeez....
post #38 of 86
Agree, the review mentioned distortion with bass EQ on the iPod, so it should be part of the thread. My bad. Didn't mean to step on toes.
post #39 of 86
Can anyone compare their experience of the UM2 vs. westone 2? I currently own westone 2's but was considering trading them for UM2? I know that the westone 2 body size is much smaller(which i luv)...but wat about sound...is it worth the trouble of tradin?
post #40 of 86
Nice review man.
post #41 of 86
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Originally Posted by rmc View Post
Can anyone compare their experience of the UM2 vs. westone 2? I currently own westone 2's but was considering trading them for UM2? I know that the westone 2 body size is much smaller(which i luv)...but wat about sound...is it worth the trouble of tradin?
Heck no! W2 is far superior is every regard.

Bass: About same amount but W2 is tighter and more controlled.

Midrange: UM2 is more forward where W2 is more even with bass and treble.

Treble: W2 reveals quite a bit more. I'd say a good 30%.

Soundstage: W2 is much larger mainly because UM2 is a stage monitor, W2 more for pleasure listening.
post #42 of 86
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Originally Posted by tstarn06 View Post
Agree, the review mentioned distortion with bass EQ on the iPod, so it should be part of the thread. My bad. Didn't mean to step on toes.
I'm sorry about the confusion. I did go back and look, and I didn't mention EQ at all in the actual review. However, in post #28 I did reply to "people suggesting trying EQ" by saying that I didn't think the W2 need EQ. I wanted to advise against trying any EQ which might cause distortion "at least with an iPod". I guess I didn't do a good job of saying that right. I assumed many portable MP3 players would have their amp's distort more easily with bass boost turned on.

Many times just turning on my iPod's EQ to boost the bass will cause the iPod's amp to clip or distort much earlier than usual. Maybe it's only on older iPods, and I will have to go back and do more testing. But with my 5.5G iMod and an amp via LOD, I could get the iMod to overdrive the amp's input with bass EQ and it would become distorted. Some people took what I wrote as my saying the W2 will distort with bass boost or EQ, which wasn't what I meant at all. You assured me that the W2 were not distorting when you boosted the bass with your player, as did others, which brought to my attention the misunderstanding and focus on whether the W2 distort with bass boost. I would have been better off not posting anything, instead of trying to reply on my iPhone.

The remainder here not just to you, but now just a general audience post. Just so everyone knows - I don't believe in using EQ on a product that I am reviewing, because the product needs to be judged on it's own merits or faults. If the earphone doesn't have enough bass then I'd say so. I've always felt that it's better to try to compare the bass to another IEM on hand, than to say how it sounds with the clear bass on such and such player set for +3, etc. I just think the comparison is a better frame of reference. And I did make sure it was known I didn't have UM3X on hand and that I was going based on my memory of their sound - Auditory memory does suck. Sometimes I may try an amp with bass boost on a bass-lite IEM, because cranking up the bass on the computer EQ still might overdrive the input section of the amp that I am using. But I don't always do that as I don't want to blame new problems on the wrong piece of gear, so it's easier to not mess with EQ at all.

In the review I had good things to say about the bass. "The bass impact with W2 on my un-amped iPhone 3GS is good and will not disappoint, and it will not disappoint those who don't like too much bass either. And it's even stronger with some amps. As a bonus, it's not as easy to over-drive the bass with an amp as with the W1 or competing RE252. Bass impact and depth is slightly less than my Triple.fi 10vi Pro. In compensation for that, I thought the W2 bass was slightly faster, and the W2 don't have the TF 10vi Pro's mid/upper bass coloration/bump."

What that quote above should have said is that "if I crank up the volume with bass heavy music, then the other IEM like W1 and RE252 can't keep up and will be overdriven, unlike the W2 which are not as easily over-driven". With some very demanding bass-heavy music like Infected Mushroom, it is possible with the volume cranked up very high to get clipping. But the volume levels are so loud with W2 that most other IEM are showing clipping at the same levels as the W2; so I may attribute it to the amp clipping not the IEM. I was amazed at how loud I could play the W2 with some jazz music containing tight hard-hitting bass drums and electric bass, and not have the W2 get sloppy with those earsplitting volumes (see section in review about Anthony Wilson). The W1 and RE252 cannot do that, for example.
post #43 of 86
I'd have to try "bass boost" to see if it, indeed, clips but I AM an EQ fan and love the "jazz" setting on Ipods for the slight bump in bass and treble.

To me, the best IEM is one that ALLOWS you to use some sort of EQ to mold or create the type of sound you prefer WITHOUT bringing in any type of undesireble elements...and W2 does this admirably.

I'll tell you right now and I say this with total honesty....I would MUCH prefer a pair of stock earbuds over an Ety ER4 if I had to listen to it with no EQ. No EQ with Ety = no bass whatsoever which is completely unacceptable to me.
post #44 of 86
Thanks for the review, very informative as usual.
post #45 of 86
@HPA

Your comment from above post:
"I don't believe in using EQ on a product that I am reviewing, because the product needs to be judged on it's own merits or faults."

I guess we differ in that I consider the ability to EQ a phone with my source gear to qualify as a "merit or fault," though I get what you are saying. For those who use no EQ, you info is invaluable. For those who use EQ sometimes, to "fine tune" their preferred sound, it's good to know whether or not a phone can respond to EQ. Of course, EQ capabilities vary as much as the DAP sound sigs, so it is good to be specific.

Anyway, didn't mean to jump on you, but I did want to make sure that readers didn't think EQ was out of the question for W2, for bass or any other part of the frequency spectrum, if they have DAPs with capable EQ (or the Rockbox app on their players).
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