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post #31 of 41
1/29/10 at 7:37am
I hear a spike starting at the upper midrange that continues up to the treble. Is this not what gives the 701 great analytical capabilities?
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post #32 of 41
1/29/10 at 7:44am
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Originally Posted by SP Wild View Post
I hear a spike starting at the upper midrange that continues up to the treble. Is this not what gives the 701 great analytical capabilities?
No, it's the resolution and the dynamic that gives the 701 great analytical. BTW most of the hps have some spike in the upper mids.
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post #33 of 41
1/29/10 at 8:10am
This thread is a reminder that most recievers have really crappy op amps for the headphone out.
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post #34 of 41
1/29/10 at 8:31am
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The cables need to burn in a bit, I go through this each time I make a cable, A few freq's will be off. With Silver it is really bad before burned in.
Ugh, not this again. Untrue, untrue, untrue.

You know, I've experienced a similar thing with the K701, which is why I went for the 601s instead. There was always an artificiality that I didn't like about their mids. It sounded unusually cranked up to make up for the bass deficiency. Still a very good phone though.
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post #35 of 41
1/29/10 at 10:36am
Uncle Erik, why don't you try the K702 with a nice re-cable, this time off a high end SS amp like the Phonitor? I don't say they are flawless... But as a singer, my own recordings sound like mine over my K701. I find absolutely nothing wrong with my voice as rendered by the akg!
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post #36 of 41
1/29/10 at 11:17am
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Originally Posted by bhanja_trinanjan View Post
Uncle Erik, why don't you try the K702 with a nice re-cable, this time off a high end SS amp like the Phonitor? I don't say they are flawless... But as a singer, my own recordings sound like mine over my K701. I find absolutely nothing wrong with my voice as rendered by the akg!
Its all about preference.. Its just a fact. Unkle Eric doesn't like the K70X and Acix loves the K70X

As with any situation, one person's perception of something is different from anothers'.
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post #37 of 41
1/29/10 at 12:37pm
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Originally Posted by Ninkul View Post
Its all about preference.. Its just a fact. Unkle Eric doesn't like the K70X and Acix loves the K70X

As with any situation, one person's perception of something is different from anothers'.
In this case it's about perception mainly...Erik perceives something unnatural about the 70X mids, and others do not. The problem comes when we take someone's perception for gospel...usually some 'expert' reviewer in a music/audiophile magazine. I think people do perceive differently, due to physiological differences in the ear and maybe the brain too. Neither is wrong...because they are not hearing the same headphone. I noticed this a lot when reading up on the sony v-6. A lot of folks perceive sharp spikes in the upper mids(myself included)...others perceive them as flat and neutral. Being a singer I can hear how they distort my voice...but that's my perception...maybe not yours.
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post #38 of 41
1/29/10 at 12:58pm
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In this case it's about perception mainly...Erik perceives something unnatural about the 70X mids, and others do not. The problem comes when we take someone's perception for gospel...usually some 'expert' reviewer in a music/audiophile magazine. I think people do perceive differently, due to physiological differences in the ear and maybe the brain too. Neither is wrong...because they are not hearing the same headphone. I noticed this a lot when reading up on the sony v-6. A lot of folks perceive sharp spikes in the upper mids(myself included)...others perceive them as flat and neutral. Being a singer I can hear how they distort my voice...but that's my perception...maybe not yours.
Nice post. There are also things that will bother some people more than others as well, some being big enough to be deal breakers for some but not for others. As I've said before I do still think that K701 mids can sound incoherent with certain music but it's not anywhere near bad enough for me to part with it.

Interesting thing with the V6... I recall Uncle Erik commenting that he enjoyed them and not really complaining of the upper mid issues like he did with the K701 (I can't comment on this myself as I've never tried the V6). More proof of what you've just said here with perception.
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post #39 of 41
1/29/10 at 1:35pm
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Originally Posted by K_19 View Post
Nice post. There are also things that will bother some people more than others as well, some being big enough to be deal breakers for some but not for others. As I've said before I do still think that K701 mids can sound incoherent with certain music but it's not anywhere near bad enough for me to part with it.

Interesting thing with the V6... I recall Uncle Erik commenting that he enjoyed them and not really complaining of the upper mid issues like he did with the K701 (I can't comment on this myself as I've never tried the V6). More proof of what you've just said here with perception.
Our perception is also influenced by our experience. When I first heard the v-6 I thought they were awesome (compared to the other hps I had experience with). Only when I gained some experience with much smoother headphones did I begin to perceive the weaknesses of the v-6. Then there's the influence of the reviews too. I read that the RP21 is mostly flat (renowned engineer Malcolm Toft tells me so, so it must be true! )...the k240DF is flat/neutral...the dt250 pretty much the same. If the reviews are correct, then the v-6 can't be flat, because it is way more harsh than some of the others...to my ears anyway.
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post #40 of 41
1/29/10 at 3:10pm
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Originally Posted by Uncle Erik View Post
I only came into this thread because it specifically addresses my problem with the K-701/2. If you take the time to look at the *hundreds* of K-701/2 threads, I only post when an opinion is asked for as to their sound quality.

from the "What is the affordable 'best' of each manufacturer." thread
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The only reason the K-701 has any popularity is because it's the least expensive "top" offering from a big manufacturer. If the K-701's street price were higher than the HD-650 or DT880, nobody would buy it.
from the "Regarding Amazon's AKG K701 Sale.." thread
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If it cost more than the HD-650, no one would buy it. The only reason so many people buy the K-701 is because it costs less than other flagship headphones.
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You can subjectivize K-701 opinion, but the reality is that the K-701 reproduces music in a way that does not sound accurate to a live event. Granted, no transducer does, but the K-701 is glaringly wrong.
from the "Help with a reference audiophile grade setup" thread
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The only reason the K-701 is popular is because it is the least expensive "flagship" headphone.

if you go further back into 2008 you enter the twilight zone where erik actually liked the k701s.

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I'm loving the K-701 stock with the Zana. I was very, very close to selling the K-701 to pay for the Zana, but decided to hang onto it to and see if it sounded different. It sure did, and I've kept the K-701.
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here's a better list (in production):

HD650
RS1
K701
Omega 2

i think i could live with those alone.
Agreed, but I'd put the DT880 in there, too.
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For me, I was on the verge of selling the K-701. It sounded plasticky and artificial. I decided to keep it until the Zana was ready, however. I'm glad I did. For the first time, the K-701 sounded pretty good. Good enough to keep.
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So far I am kind of thinking to get one of the three:

AKG K701
Sennheiser HD650
Beyerdynamic DT 880
You can't really go wrong with any of the three. I'm crazy about the DT880 and HD-650. The K-701 I've come to like a lot.

But none of them are bad, not even close.
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I can go along with that. Now that I have them amped well, the K-701 has opened up and begun to sing for me. My appreciation is growing, but they still can't match the magic of K-501 mids or the overall experience of the K-1000. But the K-701 now has a place in my heart.

Though my favorite all-rounder is probably now the HD-600.

The K-701 is my second choice.
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The K-701 is a very good headphone, but if you want to hear it at its best, you'll need to invest in or build a quality amp.
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post #41 of 41
1/29/10 at 4:55pm
Give Uncle Erik a break. We all have headphones we love to hate. And can´t shut up about it all the time. Good to have these comments too.

I do agree about it not being that good with voices. Male or female.
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