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post #46 of 91
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Originally Posted by Currawong View Post
A serious source will be important, whatever the choice, so honestly I'd look at as a search for a combined source + amp, unless the OP already has something suitably high-end. There's also the consideration of whether to go balanced or not.
Now that's a great post, I would change my mind over and over, based on the source.
post #47 of 91
headroom balanced max (have to find one used though) but i still prefer tubes.
post #48 of 91
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Originally Posted by ting.mike View Post
Are you sure about that?..

You said that the Phonitor has more depth than the Grace. I said that too.

I actually said that despite the larger soundstage of the Grace, I felt that the Phonitor lets me focus better on the instruments. So in a way, I kind of prefer the imaging of the Phonitor. But I also said that it's a matter of headphone sinergy. For some people who feels that they want a bigger soundstage, the Grace will be a better choice. For some people who feels that the soundstage is big enough, and they want more depth and better focus, they can go with the Phonitor.

And remember that the two amps sounds completely different from each other. I wouldn't say that one is superior than the other.
Thanks for the clarification, ting.mike. I realize we agree in part but disagree in emphasis. Your comments are making me spend more time with the Grace, and I see where you're coming from.
post #49 of 91
Yes, it has been a great discussion.
post #50 of 91
Suprised nobody mention the venerable Dynahi.
post #51 of 91
Nice writeup.
My audition with m902 and auditor was a wonderful experience.
Compare to auditor, the amp part of m902 is more analytical.
It's like your ear is on the recording microphone hangs above the orchestra.
Every instrument is very clear, however, you may start to wonder if that's too clear to a regular seat in the concert hall.
With the same source, Auditor gives you a little bit more distance between you and orchestra.
You're still above the orchestra like the recording microphone, but not as close as m902.
I think Auditor is a little bit more forgiving than m902 as for choosing source.
If you already have a very good and loved source, Auditor/Phonitor should be a better buy.

But I really like the overall performance of m902 as a DAC and AMP. It is both musical and analytical. It has the clarity yet the proper distance you want to keep from the orchestra.

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Originally Posted by ting.mike View Post
I respect your opinion, but actually the answer isn't so clear cut, and I can't even say if the Phonitor is superior to the Grace.

I've started doing the comparison tonight.. I've had the Grace and the 4ch Beta22 for a while, so I'm very familiar with those. But tonight I put all three amplifiers to a comparison, and this is what I found:

The Phonitor and the Grace does the solid state sound very differently. Both are very fine solid state, both very musical and far from a dry or harsh sounding solid state.

post #52 of 91
ting.mike and feifan, you're both right to same degree, I'll try to explain. The Grace sound stage it's easy to pinpoint the sound direction and to see the end of the sound stage sphere. In the Phonitor case, you even don't realize where is the end of the sound sphere.

BTW, great read ting.mike.
post #53 of 91
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Originally Posted by Acix View Post
ting.mike and feifan, you're both right to same degree, I'll try to explain. The Grace sound stage it's easy to pinpoint the sound direction and to see the end of the sound stage sphere. In the Phonitor case, you even don't realize where is the end of the sound sphere.

BTW, great read ting.mike.
Now that you've said it, I think I did remember having that impression when listening to the Phonitor and the Grace.

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My audition with m902 and auditor was a wonderful experience.
Compare to auditor, the amp part of m902 is more analytical.
It's like your ear is on the recording microphone hangs above the orchestra.
Every instrument is very clear, however, you may start to wonder if that's too clear to a regular seat in the concert hall.
With the same source, Auditor gives you a little bit more distance between you and orchestra.
You're still above the orchestra like the recording microphone, but not as close as m902.
I think Auditor is a little bit more forgiving than m902 as for choosing source.
Yep. I think you're right.

I think we can now compile all of these comments to make a Grace m902 vs Phonitor comparison thread.
post #54 of 91
BTW, I am surprised this thread hasn't been moved yet..
post #55 of 91
The actual answer depends on your particular headphone and source. Synergy is everything.
post #56 of 91
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Originally Posted by jpelg View Post
The actual answer depends on your particular headphone and source. Synergy is everything.
I totally agree with that.
post #57 of 91
Synergy? Is this the reason I prefer the sound of my Lehmann black cube with the Dacmagic than the 6 X more expensive Bryston Dac, or is the lehmann crap, or is ss in general crap? Thats my dilemma tonight. I paid big dollars for the Bryston logically the price suggest the bryston is not the problem. Should I be posting this elsewhere?
post #58 of 91
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Originally Posted by Acix View Post
ting.mike and feifan, you're both right to same degree, I'll try to explain. The Grace sound stage it's easy to pinpoint the sound direction and to see the end of the sound stage sphere. In the Phonitor case, you even don't realize where is the end of the sound sphere.

BTW, great read ting.mike.
So the Phonitor is more correct. When I was playing with some negative feedback architectures it showed like the more global the feedback, the more closed and confined the soundstage. In hi-end systems there is no border, the soundstage is open. So, I will always prefer and recommend no feedback designs (here - Rudistor RP-010) in front of global NFB designs. Tube amps without global feedback sound great too (pimped ASL Twin Head for instance).
post #59 of 91
The AT-HA5000 "Raffinato" MOFSET deserves a mention
post #60 of 91
Well, it depends on what kind of music you're listening to.
I'm not saying Phonitor/Auditor did it wrong, but it is not an serious issue for classical music recording while most of them are recorded in an concert hall.
Unlike hi-end system you actually build a room to get the correct spacing, headphones have the designed spacing along with them.
Overdoing the soundstage in headphone is plain wrong most of time.

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Originally Posted by majkel View Post
So the Phonitor is more correct. When I was playing with some negative feedback architectures it showed like the more global the feedback, the more closed and confined the soundstage. In hi-end systems there is no border, the soundstage is open. So, I will always prefer and recommend no feedback designs (here - Rudistor RP-010) in front of global NFB designs. Tube amps without global feedback sound great too (pimped ASL Twin Head for instance).
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