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post #196 of 235
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Thanks, I thought so. And there I was, with my new high quality gear, eagerly waiting to hear how that album would sound... and it sounded bad! The curse of headfi and bad mastering strikes!

 

I thought it was quite obvious how terribly mixed and mastered that album is. Get it on vinyl or find a good quality rip somewhere. It's slightly more bearable on vinyl.

post #197 of 235
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It's a shame that most recently released albums are so compressed on CD. If I am lucky I can find the vinyl, but that's not always the case.

These albums (vinyl) I listened a lot:

Arcade Fire - The Suburbs

The National - High Violet

both CDs are compressed.

 

Unless you have evidence that the vinyl is actually a different master than the CD (which is expensive for a label to do and actually quite rare for any album made in the last 20 years), then you are hearing the same master on a different format.  The differences you hear are either from the added distortion ("warmth") of vinyl, inadequacies in your CD playback system, or pure psychoacoustics.  Nothing wrong with liking vinyl, just know why you like it. 


Edited by mbayaq - 8/18/12 at 7:56pm
post #198 of 235
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Unless you have evidence that the vinyl is actually a different master than the CD (which is expensive for a label to do and actually quite rare for any album made in the last 20 years), then you are hearing the same master on a different format.  The differences you hear are either from the added distortion ("warmth") of vinyl, inadequacies in your CD playback system, or pure psychoacoustics.  Nothing wrong with liking vinyl, just know why you like it. 

 

This a thousand times over. People always claim that vinyl automatically sounds better than CDs.

post #199 of 235
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This a thousand times over. People always claim that vinyl automatically sounds better than CDs.

 

there are actually quite a few cases of the vinyl using a completely different master than the cd. Im not sure about his specific examples, but i wouldnt be so quick to discount them. Just look at Stadium Arcadium, on vinyl, its like a whole new world compared to the cd version, cause it was mastered by Steve Hoffman

post #200 of 235
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there are actually quite a few cases of the vinyl using a completely different master than the cd. Im not sure about his specific examples, but i wouldnt be so quick to discount them. Just look at Stadium Arcadium, on vinyl, its like a whole new world compared to the cd version, cause it was mastered by Steve Hoffman

 

I don't think you understood my post. I never said it never happens, just that its rare. Which is why you shouldn't automatically assume vinyl will sound better than a CD unless you actually know it has a different and superior mastering job. And I never 'discounted' his examples, just laid out the situation accurately. The large majority of vinyl out there is likely the exact same master as its CD counterpart, and this is purely dictated by economics.

 

And yes, different masterings can sound better. Stadium Arcadium's CD master was horrible in my opinion, and yes, the vinyl's different master is a vast improvement. I never said anything to the contrary of any of this. 


Edited by mbayaq - 8/18/12 at 11:59pm
post #201 of 235
Here's a small list of vinyl that sound "masterful"
 

- Hot Chip  Coming On Strong

- Papa M  "Whatever, Mortal"  2x12" 45rpm  (John Golden)

- The White Stripes  Icky Thump  (Kevin Gray, Steve Hoffman)

- The Black Keys  Attack & Release  (Bob Ludwig, Stan Ricker) 1/2 speed mastering

- Bon Iver  For Emma, Forever Ago  (Kevin Gray)

- Portishead  Third  2x12" box set

 

it's all in the mastering be it cd or vinyl  happy_face1.gif


Edited by vinyl addict - 8/19/12 at 1:16am
post #202 of 235
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- The White Stripes  Icky Thump  (Kevin Gray, Steve Hoffman)

Have you heard or compared it to the recent mono release?  I'm quite curious.

 

 

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it's all in the mastering be it cd or vinyl  happy_face1.gif

This ^


Edited by mbayaq - 8/19/12 at 2:27pm
post #203 of 235

I agree Icky Thump is very well recorded.I love those kickdrums! Everything sounds sharp and crispy. mbayaq, who wants to listen to mono? 


Edited by ZorgDK - 8/19/12 at 2:40pm
post #204 of 235
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mbayaq, who wants to listen to mono? 

Mono produces 'perfect' imaging and avoids many room response problems introduced by stereo (your playback room is different acoustically than the room an album was recorded in, and this causes many problems for stereo playback). To wholly discount it is shortsighted. I'm not saying I convert everything and only listen that way, but in terms of accurate sound reproduction it is interesting to have around. I sure as hell prefer the Beatles in mono, but they were recorded that way and the stereo conversions are sub par.


Edited by mbayaq - 8/19/12 at 3:32pm
post #205 of 235
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- The White Stripes  Icky Thump  (Kevin Gray, Steve Hoffman)

Have you heard or compared it to the recent mono release?  I'm quite curious.

 

 

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Originally Posted by vinyl addict View Post

it's all in the mastering be it cd or vinyl  happy_face1.gif

This ^


Nope.  Sadly, I don't have mono cartridge or mono switch on my preamp frown.gif

post #206 of 235
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Nope.  Sadly, I don't have mono cartridge or mono switch on my preamp frown.gif

 

You could try the double Y cable trick for mono records. You need a Y cable with two female to one male plug, and the other one with a single female to two male plugs. I always use this setup when listening to mono records.

post #207 of 235
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Nope.  Sadly, I don't have mono cartridge or mono switch on my preamp frown.gif

 

You could try the double Y cable trick for mono records. You need a Y cable with two female to one male plug, and the other one with a single female to two male plugs. I always use this setup when listening to mono records.


I don't want to derail this thread by starting a stereo/mono discussion.

 

I tried this before and there was a lot of humming/feedback... perhaps due to the schiity Radio Shack bought cables.

Anyway, my mono record collecting ended many years ago.

post #208 of 235
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Originally Posted by SoupRKnowva View Post

 

there are actually quite a few cases of the vinyl using a completely different master than the cd. Im not sure about his specific examples, but i wouldnt be so quick to discount them. Just look at Stadium Arcadium, on vinyl, its like a whole new world compared to the cd version, cause it was mastered by Steve Hoffman

 

The key word in my last post is "automatically". I'm not denying the fact that some albums have different and better masters. I'm saying that some people actually believe that putting a crappy master on vinyl will make it sound better.


Edited by Feedback - 8/20/12 at 9:22am
post #209 of 235
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Originally Posted by mbayaq View Post

Mono produces 'perfect' imaging and avoids many room response problems introduced by stereo (your playback room is different acoustically than the room an album was recorded in, and this causes many problems for stereo playback). To wholly discount it is shortsighted. I'm not saying I convert everything and only listen that way, but in terms of accurate sound reproduction it is interesting to have around. I sure as hell prefer the Beatles in mono, but they were recorded that way and the stereo conversions are sub par.

Ok, I see, I've never listened to a mono recording, so I can't relate..   

post #210 of 235

Venetian Snares + Speedranch - Making Orange Things
Just kidding, its the worst.
http://www.dr.loudness-war.info/details.php?id=11023

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