Thinking about moving out of the US... - Page 4  

Originally Posted by Wmcmanus

This is a really nice post. Consider yourself fortunate to have done so much traveling, and especially for having had the opportunity to actually live in so many countries! That's a quite different experience than just passing through as a tourist.

It's also clear that we share a common share perspective on many of the issues that others have raised in this thread, namely that:

1. Most people in most places that I've been to tend to have enough sense to judge people for who and what they are, rather than by simply making quick, stereotypical assumptions about them based on their nationality.

Sure, you will find some anti-America(n) sentiments nearly everywhere you go. It's stronger in some places than it is in others, but you don't have to answer for an entire nation; only for yourself. For the most part, I like the people I meet when I travel, and for the most part, they seem to like me. Really no different than when I'm in the US.

2. Deciding to "leave" the US isn't necessarily a vote against the US. I know it wasn't for me! I love the US (warts and all) but I also love it here in the Cayman Islands. The weather is MUCH nicer than anywhere I lived in the US prior to moving to Cayman 13 years ago (I'd lived in 6 different states as a fully emancipated adult), and of course it's always nice to be within 5 minutes of the sea no matter where you're at. Plus, the women here are much darker and more relaxed (on average), both of which are qualities I've grown to admire!

I'm a permanent resident here now and will eventually be granted full citizenship. But I'm still a US citizen and will never renounce. I'm as proud as ever to be an American. No, I don't like everything about the US. But I don't like everything about Cayman either. So in my case, it wasn't/isn't a matter of "leaving" the US, because at this point my time is more or less evenly split between Cayman (fall and winter) and the US (spring and summer). When it gets too hot in Cayman, I get out; when it gets too cold in the US, I come back! Best of both worlds.

3. It's all about options, and look before you leap. I really like that part of Justin's advice. There is a TON of really cool stuff to see and do in the US, if only you are willing to: a) look, b) make time for it, and c) make travel a priority in your life. Of course, it's an extremely tough economy and most people don't have much time or money on their hands, but if there is a will there is a way! Get out to the national parks! The US has some of the most beautiful topography you'll find anywhere in the world, and great cities with zillions of things to do and experience as well. I've been to over 40 states during the past two years alone. But I love the time I get to occasionally spend in Europe as well (I'm going to Monaco and then Paris in a couple of weeks).

Choices are good things. If you can do so (in any way, shape, or form), I'd strongly suggest that you use your career as a vehicle for travel. I'm glad I did this, even within the US. I was always looking for college teaching jobs in different states. Every place you go offers different experiences and new perspectives. Mississippi isn't Minnesota isn't Maine isn't Montana, and that's just some of the M states! But in order to do this, you'll have to work hard at whatever it is that you do, such that your services will be valued and you'll be likely to get the opportunities.

For those who continue to insist on blaming the US (or whatever their home country happens to be) for their lot in life, my advice is to look within to see what you can change about yourself such that you'll have every chance to succeed. No matter where you're from and no matter where you go in the world, there will be plenty of successful people (no matter how you measure success) to emulate. Surround yourself with them, and don't pay attention to the losers or those who'll try to drag you down. Sometimes it's just a matter of raising your hand and saying, "I can do the job" and really believing that you can. All else will follow.

Originally Posted by kshelton

we have also thought about moving to the Seattle area because of the cooler temperatures and the coast blah blah. But we have heard a lot about the "Seattle freeze" apparently it can be hard to be accepted by neighbors and what not when moving into the area.

Originally Posted by Guidostrunk

Glad to see people like you leave! Makes it that much easier for the people that do love and believe in this country. I get so sick of hearing out of peoples mouths how bad they hate it here, happy there's one less!

Originally Posted by skoog5600

Generally speaking Americans are fat, lazy and narcissistic IMHO - I am glad to be out of there and happy to be no longer part of a country that supports war and hatred as a policy.

Really don't mean to add a negative spin but I am not young and idealistic and have seen far more than you can imagine including having witnessed 9/11 first hand. My response was not why do they hate us, it was what did we do to cause it? And the US continues the same policies under the guise protecting ourselves from terrorism in order to perpetuate war and hatred.

Anyway I digress ... this is a site about h-fi.

Originally Posted by skoog5600

Generally speaking Americans are fat, lazy and narcissistic IMHO - I am glad to be out of there and happy to be no longer part of a country that supports war and hatred as a policy.

Really don't mean to add a negative spin but I am not young and idealistic and have seen far more than you can imagine including having witnessed 9/11 first hand. My response was not why do they hate us, it was what did we do to cause it? And the US continues the same policies under the guise protecting ourselves from terrorism in order to perpetuate war and hatred.

Anyway I digress ... this is a site about h-fi.

Originally Posted by Redo

You could move to California, that's sorta like leaving the US

Originally Posted by kshelton

Wow thank you to all the people with nice advice. This isn't a fast thing by any means it will be about 6 years before we are getting serious about it. I was just curious, we have also thought about moving to the Seattle area because of the cooler temperatures and the coast blah blah. But we have heard a lot about the "Seattle freeze" apparently it can be hard to be accepted by neighbors and what not when moving into the area.

So it got me thinking about it a little and I wondered to myself if this kind of thing might be magnified if we decided to move abroad. Anyway thanks again for the input lets keep this thread on a pleasant note thought please.

Originally Posted by skoog5600

I hope robm321 is not serious ... it is typical America attitude we are #1 if it wasn't for us BS. That sense of patriotic pride is nauseating and one of many reasons I left the US.

It is a sinking ship ... if you listen closely you can hear the glug glug glug. Abandon ship abandon ship!!!