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Originally Posted by rcmo View Post

Those who own/know well the CK10 please help me here. I just bought a pair of these today. As such I didn't still have the time to make a thorough evaluation but their clarity and definition exactly corresponds to what I was expecting,

 

However, I noticed that the CK10 can easily start distorting when volume goes high. By high I mean over 3/4 when out of an iphone, ipod classic or when amped through a headsix. Without getting into discussing how high I am listening, the fact is that no other iem that I own (eg. se530, fx500, ie8, ah-c551) has any audible distortion at these volume levels. Distortion can get so large that it seems that the headphones completely saturate and get clogged.

 

Can you advise? Is it normal with these iem or should I return them?

 

Thanks!

rcmo



What bit-rate are you using? If you are compressing your music, try ripping a good-sounding CD into Apple Lossless and see if you hear a difference. Also make sure your EQ is turned off, that can add distortion as well.

post #872 of 1523

Thanks for your help. @groki Compression isn't the issue here, I used lossless compressed files.  No EQ whatsoever. Distortion can easily start with low freqs but it is with voice that it really gets weird and unbearable.

post #873 of 1523
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Originally Posted by rawrster View Post

I was toying with the idea or buying the CK10 again until I saw the price. It was just under $300 from Accessory Jack and no way I'm paying that amount for it when I originally bought them at $201 shipped.

 

I don't use universals much any more and basically just have them when I watch a movie or videos on my netbook directly from the netbook sound card.


I seriously considered buying a back-up pair when I first got the 10's (going for around $200 at the time), but opted against it.  Sort of regret that now, as they are still easily my favorite IEM. 

 

Funny, really.  At 200 bucks, I thought about it.  At 300 bucks...well, I just hope my current ones last many, many years.
 

post #874 of 1523


 

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Originally Posted by shigzeo View Post

Actually, I asked comply why and they didn't have a real answer ready, but I think it comes down to the CK10 being discontinued and not readily available outside Japan. I mean, who wants to pay 400$ for a discontinued model that originally sold in Japan for less than 200$ street? I think that is the reason. Best buy ever, but not if you live abroad.



So you got the run-around from Comply...nice.  From the AT regional sites, the CK10 is a current model for China, Taiwan, Australia, and parts of Europe.  Comply has business/distribution in these markets and perhaps they're US-centric or don't realize that e-commerce is global.



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Originally Posted by SolidSnake3 View Post

I have to say I totally agree with Shigzeo in that my CK10's are the best universal IEM's I have ever purchased. I have tried many, many universals and the CK10's always came out on top. My JH5's are the only thing to top them in the portable category that I have heard. The sound and build of the CK10's is what is keeping me from selling them even though I have a portable I find better, I just can't seem to give them up. 

 

As for tips I found the Monster foam supertips to fit pretty darn well on them. They were not totally tight on the tip but they held on more than well enough. Also, they are very durable, easy to use and gave me a good seal. I normally use the Monster single flange on my CK10's since they provide me an ideal seal with less effort and are even more durable.



Thanks SolidSnake3.  From the Monster SuperTips Compatibility list, they also fit the C710 so basically, the cores have the same diameter as the T-400.  The T-400 are definitely loose on the CK10 nozzle, however, their core is made of a hard plastic.  From shigzeo's great review and close-ups, the core is a softer silicon so does it 'stretch' onto the CK10 nozzle like the Sony hybrids?  Don't want any air leakage or slippage with the eartips getting lodged in the ear canal when removing the phones.  Any impact on the highs with the Foam SuperTips?  How do they compare to the Gel SuperTips?  On their site, it says the Gels are "for super-critical audiophile listening."

post #875 of 1523

Recently tried these out with large klipsch "oval" double flanges and boy has the sound changed with proper placing. Nothing in it's frequency response really bothers, no fatigue at all and I'm getting good detail in every range minus the lowest regions. 

post #876 of 1523
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Originally Posted by techfreakazoid View Post


 

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Originally Posted by shigzeo View Post

Actually, I asked comply why and they didn't have a real answer ready, but I think it comes down to the CK10 being discontinued and not readily available outside Japan. I mean, who wants to pay 400$ for a discontinued model that originally sold in Japan for less than 200$ street? I think that is the reason. Best buy ever, but not if you live abroad.



So you got the run-around from Comply...nice.  From the AT regional sites, the CK10 is a current model for China, Taiwan, Australia, and parts of Europe.  Comply has business/distribution in these markets and perhaps they're US-centric or don't realize that e-commerce is global.



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Originally Posted by SolidSnake3 View Post

I have to say I totally agree with Shigzeo in that my CK10's are the best universal IEM's I have ever purchased. I have tried many, many universals and the CK10's always came out on top. My JH5's are the only thing to top them in the portable category that I have heard. The sound and build of the CK10's is what is keeping me from selling them even though I have a portable I find better, I just can't seem to give them up. 

 

As for tips I found the Monster foam supertips to fit pretty darn well on them. They were not totally tight on the tip but they held on more than well enough. Also, they are very durable, easy to use and gave me a good seal. I normally use the Monster single flange on my CK10's since they provide me an ideal seal with less effort and are even more durable.



Thanks SolidSnake3.  From the Monster SuperTips Compatibility list, they also fit the C710 so basically, the cores have the same diameter as the T-400.  The T-400 are definitely loose on the CK10 nozzle, however, their core is made of a hard plastic.  From shigzeo's great review and close-ups, the core is a softer silicon so does it 'stretch' onto the CK10 nozzle like the Sony hybrids?  Don't want any air leakage or slippage with the eartips getting lodged in the ear canal when removing the phones.  Any impact on the highs with the Foam SuperTips?  How do they compare to the Gel SuperTips?  On their site, it says the Gels are "for super-critical audiophile listening."

If i remember correctly, T400 do not work with the CK10. Also, the foam supertips sounded fine with no perceived loss in sound quality when used with the CK10 but i did prefer using sony hybrids instead
 

post #877 of 1523

I didn't find the foam hybrids to really alter the sound much in any way. They seemed to keep the sound signature pretty much the same as with the Monster single flanges. The gel tips I could never get a good seal with so I have no idea. I found the foam to fit on the nozzle well enough that I wasn't afraid of them falling off or getting "stuck" in my ears at any point. 

 

post #878 of 1523
Thread Starter 

I've not found any aftermarket tips to work for me.  They all alter the sound to a degree that takes away from what I consider the strength of the CK10's:  uber-clarity in the upper frequencies without any harshness.  

 

And then I started wondering:  Does AT sell replacement tips for the CK10's, does anyone know?

 

Thanks. 

 

post #879 of 1523

i'm fairly sure i used the klipsch ovals once with them.  but i stopped using them and went back to the stock tips.  don't really remember why.  have they started to sell those monster christmas trees separately yet?

post #880 of 1523

the oval klipsch tips are tricky to insert because you have to place them in the stem in the best way for you ear and finding the right placing can be a long process. The lining indicator helps and when it's found it sure is worth the trouble. 

post #881 of 1523


 

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Originally Posted by SolidSnake3 View Post

I didn't find the foam hybrids to really alter the sound much in any way. They seemed to keep the sound signature pretty much the same as with the Monster single flanges. The gel tips I could never get a good seal with so I have no idea. I found the foam to fit on the nozzle well enough that I wasn't afraid of them falling off or getting "stuck" in my ears at any point. 

 



Thanks for the info.  Upon further reading, shigzeo commented here that they fit "about 95% or so."



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Originally Posted by AudioDwebe View Post

I've not found any aftermarket tips to work for me.  They all alter the sound to a degree that takes away from what I consider the strength of the CK10's:  uber-clarity in the upper frequencies without any harshness.  

 

And then I started wondering:  Does AT sell replacement tips for the CK10's, does anyone know?

 

Thanks. 

 



What aftermarket tips have you tried?  The Sony Hybrids are probably the closest silicone material to stock.  AT has the foam ER-CK100 tips, but I guess they didn't include them in the packaging because they altered the CK10 sound signature or it's a business decision.

 

Has anyone tried custom sleeves such as ACS?  The CK10 nozzle doesn't have any ridges and wonder how securely they would stay on if going with silicone or acrylic.

post #882 of 1523

based on all the positive reviews (namely |joker|'s), i ordered a pair of CK10s thru accessory jack (great customer service, btw) for $269.98 (shipped) .  

 

once i opened things up i was unimpressed by AT's packaging (who cares), the few accessories (read: tips), but the first listen was all i really cared about.  once i got the IEMs in my ears and hit play on a lossless rip of bon iver's skinny love, i was severely unimpressed.  highs were brash, lows were distant and the mid range was awol.  did i also detect faint distortion?  i couldn't be the only one who hated the CK10s...could i?

 

based on further readings, i assessed the problem HAD to be the AT tips.  so i stretched the hell out of my old e4c foam tips to get them on my CK10s.  FAIL.  the shure foamies didn't work -- the CK10 arm is too short, not allowing the foamies to get into my ear canal to expand/seal.  back to the AT tips.  still not happy.

 

then i remembered i had some triple flanges left over from my shure's.  i fitted them on the CK10s and inserted them DEEP into my canal.  felt invasive, but i could tell (for the first time) the ears were air tight / sealed.  the sound suddenly transformed into a thick, rich, smooth and crystal clear soundstage.  now i get the hype.

 

trimmed the tips on the flanges to shorten them and now i'm good to go, although the flanges do fatigue my ears.  gonna give the sony hybrids and the klipsch tips a go to hopefully find that perfect balance of seal/comfort.  

 

looking fwd to my upcoming job / overseas flight and the stealthy/low profile size/design of the CK10s to keep the skyhags off my back during taxi/takeoff/approach and landing.

 

cheers all for the info (esp. |joker|).

post #883 of 1523
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Originally Posted by techfreakazoid View Post

 

The T-400 are definitely loose on the CK10 nozzle, however, their core is made of a hard plastic.  From shigzeo's great review and close-ups, the core is a softer silicon so does it 'stretch' onto the CK10 nozzle like the Sony hybrids?  Don't want any air leakage or slippage with the eartips getting lodged in the ear canal when removing the phones.  Any impact on the highs with the Foam SuperTips?  How do they compare to the Gel SuperTips?  On their site, it says the Gels are "for super-critical audiophile listening."


Hi techy smile_phones.gif

 

I bet you're finding the CK10 to be almost the anti SE-530!

 

As for tips, I was happily using the UE silicones till they got loose and dropped off somewhere in the Bermuda Triangle. Then I tried the fake Sony Hybrids, but found (unusually) that they stretched after a couple of months and then they also fell off. Now I'm using the fake fake hybrids which are a little stiffer than the regular fakes, but seem to create a slightly better seal because they're more rigid, and they haven't stretched or got loose at all yet.

 

Fake Sony hybrid: 

 

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Fake fake hybrid:

 

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The regular fakes are softer, but I don't suffer any discomfort with the stiffer fake fake ones biggrin.gif

post #884 of 1523

 

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Originally Posted by vestaxwax View Post

based on all the positive reviews (namely |joker|'s), i ordered a pair of CK10s thru accessory jack (great customer service, btw) for $269.98 (shipped) .  

 

once i opened things up i was unimpressed by AT's packaging (who cares), the few accessories (read: tips), but the first listen was all i really cared about.  once i got the IEMs in my ears and hit play on a lossless rip of bon iver's skinny love, i was severely unimpressed.  highs were brash, lows were distant and the mid range was awol.  did i also detect faint distortion?  i couldn't be the only one who hated the CK10s...could i?

 

based on further readings, i assessed the problem HAD to be the AT tips.  so i stretched the hell out of my old e4c foam tips to get them on my CK10s.  FAIL.  the shure foamies didn't work -- the CK10 arm is too short, not allowing the foamies to get into my ear canal to expand/seal.  back to the AT tips.  still not happy.

 

then i remembered i had some triple flanges left over from my shure's.  i fitted them on the CK10s and inserted them DEEP into my canal.  felt invasive, but i could tell (for the first time) the ears were air tight / sealed.  the sound suddenly transformed into a thick, rich, smooth and crystal clear soundstage.  now i get the hype.

 

trimmed the tips on the flanges to shorten them and now i'm good to go, although the flanges do fatigue my ears.  gonna give the sony hybrids and the klipsch tips a go to hopefully find that perfect balance of seal/comfort.  

 

looking fwd to my upcoming job / overseas flight and the stealthy/low profile size/design of the CK10s to keep the skyhags off my back during taxi/takeoff/approach and landing.

 

cheers all for the info (esp. |joker|).


Have you considered trimming them into double flanges so they still seal but don't go in so deep?

post #885 of 1523
Quote:
Originally Posted by vestaxwax View Post

based on all the positive reviews (namely |joker|'s), i ordered a pair of CK10s thru accessory jack (great customer service, btw) for $269.98 (shipped) .  

 

once i opened things up i was unimpressed by AT's packaging (who cares), the few accessories (read: tips), but the first listen was all i really cared about.  once i got the IEMs in my ears and hit play on a lossless rip of bon iver's skinny love, i was severely unimpressed.  highs were brash, lows were distant and the mid range was awol.  did i also detect faint distortion?  i couldn't be the only one who hated the CK10s...could i?

 

based on further readings, i assessed the problem HAD to be the AT tips.  so i stretched the hell out of my old e4c foam tips to get them on my CK10s.  FAIL.  the shure foamies didn't work -- the CK10 arm is too short, not allowing the foamies to get into my ear canal to expand/seal.  back to the AT tips.  still not happy.

 

then i remembered i had some triple flanges left over from my shure's.  i fitted them on the CK10s and inserted them DEEP into my canal.  felt invasive, but i could tell (for the first time) the ears were air tight / sealed.  the sound suddenly transformed into a thick, rich, smooth and crystal clear soundstage.  now i get the hype.

 

trimmed the tips on the flanges to shorten them and now i'm good to go, although the flanges do fatigue my ears.  gonna give the sony hybrids and the klipsch tips a go to hopefully find that perfect balance of seal/comfort.  

 

looking fwd to my upcoming job / overseas flight and the stealthy/low profile size/design of the CK10s to keep the skyhags off my back during taxi/takeoff/approach and landing.

 

cheers all for the info (esp. |joker|).

Glad you found some tips that are allowing you to see the real beauty of the CK10's. It took me a bit to settle on the Monster single flange but once I did I noticed the significant increase in sound over the stock tips. I honestly think the stock tips are detrimental to the sound due to the really thin opening. The Monster tips have a very large opening and that seems to open the sound up so much and really let it shine through.
 

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