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post #1471 of 1523
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Seeing as to how vlenbo quoted the wrong post for my ATH-IM02 review under HardwareZone forums, I thought I will come in to clarify and paste the right link to my review for once since I'm quite a regular lurker, but infrequent poster around here. redface.gif
http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/82499936-post748.html

Fellow Head-fier vlenbo is right. W1CKED I remembered once in one of your previous posts around here, you did mentioned you are from Singapore same as me. I would suggest you to get down to listen to the ATH-IM02's for yourself before passing some mere biased assumptions that the IM02's are just basically an 'rehashed CK90-MKII in a different shell'. I came from using quite abit of Audio-technica iems actually in the past, I have been in love with most of their inner-ear monitors since 2008 ever since I first got to own my very own ATH-CK9's, and for my case there's no turning back for me now. I just managed to get hold of a BNIB pair of CK10's just last year February, and I can tell you straight in the face w/o any questions asked, the ATH-IM02 are a vast improvement over the CK10, these are just hard true facts from me. There's really no reason for me to lie or put down the CK10's, since they are a pair of iems I like very much myself and they share the same tonal signature/sound character as the CK100PRO in summary, but when comparing the CK10 against the latest ATH-IM02, seriously there's no competition here at all. The ATH-IM02 is just much better in all areas.

I don't think you will hate the ATH-IM02 sound signature coming from the CK10's. While it does not share the same kind of sound characteristics as CK10 (the CK10's are much more lean-sounding in terms of its midrange and bass impact/rumble details tends to suffer quite abit unless you're using foam tips such as Complys), I would say both are quite similar in terms of treble texture with good amount of sparkle/bite thrown in, but the ATH-IM02's just accomplishes much better in areas such as soundstage presentation and imaging. (the layering/placement of instruments are much more realistically portrayed, and instrumental separation is top-notch)

In terms of local SRP here in Singapore, the pricing for the ATH-IM02 model also gives it a very high C/P value factor as well. Just go check out the demos for yourself at either Stereo Electronics, E1Personal Audio or Soundwaves, I'm sure you will somehow agree with me if you do adore the CK10's overall sound signature and presentation.
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Hi Haonan. Sorry for the late reply but I just read your (very well written) review in all this new IM series hype, among many other impressions between the two (CK10 vs IM02) and damn, am I ever so tempted to replace my CK10s now. However, from a more reasonable standpoint, there is little actual reason for existing CK10 owners to just ditch/sell off their attached IEMs of years and jump into this new and totally different style IM02's...

A few arguments I can think off of the top of my head that supports my thesis are that
One; you mentioned yourself that they have bothersome microphonics and wearing comfort ordeals, that many other, not just the CK10/100/100PROs, high end BA IEMs do not suffer from.

Secondly; while incorporating a removable cable should definitely be a plus in any given situation regarding to the longevity and customizability of a particular headphones, giving it a proprietary connector jack hinders the very goal it tries to achieve. What's wrong with using the same connectors that UE and Shure all use? People could order custom made cables from professional companies and websites alike much easier. There is the risk of these IEMs not being as successful as intended or not have a huge niche, and in turn no said companies (such as PlusSound) would offer its connectors as an option.

Lastly, and this is hypothetical but based on my observations of generalized objective views on the matter; if the CK10 and the IM02 came out around the same time, had the same steady price of around $180-$220 retail (different regional availability but no huge fluctuations), more people would go for the CK10 rather than the IM02, and I would bet my house on that prediction. Not because titanium and rubber-wrapped metallic small ultra-super-duper comfy housings look better, but because of practicality. CK10s have superior comfort, isolation, and practicality to IM02, albeit the unremovable cables. The CK10s just feel much more entitled to the position and landmarks it tries to attain, and it certainly delivers and achieves without any compromise (marketting and price differences aside).

I have never heard the IM02, but I am just enthusiastic about audio-technica and their new IM series as everyone else here on Head-Fi is. I actually just ordered the IM50s to see for myself the potentials this new line holds, and to experience the new style of fit. However, of your statements regarding IM02 being sonically superior to the CK10s, and using many sound-describing terms to back them up, I am confused with unsettling curiosity by it; isn't sound (quality) very subjective, and can change drastically from the drivers used, to a person's ear shape and properties? I just can't agree with anybody -not just you personally- saying that the IM02 is a considerable upgrade, or beats the CK10s in all areas, and claiming that the improvements are worthwhile. I'm not saying the IM02s are a re-shelled product, and this is not an attack or anything of intrusive nature, so please do not feel offended. I am just sharing my opinion and any input or a discussion would be welcomed.
Edited by stuartfang - 2/20/14 at 10:30pm
post #1472 of 1523

These are amazing. I had these for awhile, and I them tucked away because I don't think I know how to fit them right for proper sound.  Now with proper fit, the mids are amazing, a bit intrusive to my liking and the treble being too bright creating sibilant.  Everything else is perfect.  

 

Mids are close to Shures, but more natural sounding than the Shures.  It's not just grainy mids like Shures, the grains has distinct shape, makes it seam like vocals are accurate.

 

tone down the treble, it would be perfect.


Edited by SilverEars - 3/24/14 at 8:43pm
post #1473 of 1523
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These are amazing. I had these for awhile, and I them tucked away because I don't think I know how to fit them right for proper sound.  Now with proper fit, the mids are amazing, a bit intrusive to my liking and the treble being too bright creating sibilant.  Everything else is perfect.  

Mids are close to Shures, but more natural sounding than the Shures.  It's not just grainy mids like Shures, the grains has distinct shape, makes it seam like vocals are accurate.

tone down the treble, it would be perfect.
I agree these are amazing. I made the mistake of fooling around with the filters a while back and kinda pushed them in. So I took them out and replaced them with the etymotic green filters that come with the er4's. Anyways they kinda sound a little to bright. Maybe that's how they sounded like before cause I bought them used and the filters were blocked with ear wax and stuff. I'm curious what filters they actually use. If it's the green ones or the red or orange ones. If anyone has an idea can you please let me know cause I really like these things but I think like I said the the green filters are a little too bright or that's just how they sound. Maybe I'll use them for a while and see if my brain can adjust. But all and all they sound incredible. All the detail you want and holy talk about fast. Glad your enjoying them again smily_headphones1.gif
post #1474 of 1523

I wish I can change the filters that suppresses the treble, I'd be happy then.  :etysmile: 

 

I have the 846 and like these better when it comes to low and mids, but yeah the treble is too extended.


Edited by SilverEars - 3/25/14 at 6:02am
post #1475 of 1523
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I wish I can change the filters that suppresses the treble, I'd be happy then.  etysmile.gif  

I have the 846 and like these better when it comes to low and mids, but yeah the treble is too extended.
You can order filters from knowles. I know that much. Just not sure which color they originally came with. The ety tool will take them out and the ety filters fits them perfectly. Just have to figure which color they came with like I said.
post #1476 of 1523
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You can order filters from knowles. I know that much. Just not sure which color they originally came with. The ety tool will take them out and the ety filters fits them perfectly. Just have to figure which color they came with like I said.
Hey siverears how are you like the 846's? In thinking about a pair In a couple weeks ? Do you like them?
post #1477 of 1523
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You can order filters from knowles. I know that much. Just not sure which color they originally came with. The ety tool will take them out and the ety filters fits them perfectly. Just have to figure which color they came with like I said.

Ok, is there a filter that would be low pass, meaning it would filter the treble extensions?  Not sure if I should try it, it may f*** up my CK10s

 

 

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Hey siverears how are you like the 846's? In thinking about a pair In a couple weeks ? Do you like them?

 

Not much of a fan in regards to price, I think the sound can be had for much less.  I'm not really into Shure sound sig, the grainy vocals turn me off, it has too much forward texture.  Thee CK10 has texture, but it's providing details, not going beyond that and making scratchy forward vocals which the Shure iems do. I'm more of a fan of the TG334 laid back detailed wide staged vocals.  I'm a big vocals guy:etysmile: 


Edited by SilverEars - 3/25/14 at 7:23pm
post #1478 of 1523

What EQ settings are you guys using on foobar?  I need to cut off the treble and sibilance, and boost the bass.

post #1479 of 1523
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Originally Posted by SilverEars View Post

Ok, is there a filter that would be low pass, meaning it would filter the treble extensions?  Not sure if I should try it, it may f*** up my CK10s



Not much of a fan in regards to price, I think the sound can be had for much less.  I'm not really into Shure sound sig, the grainy vocals turn me off, it has too much forward texture.  Thee CK10 has texture, but it's providing details, not going beyond that and making scratchy forward vocals which the Shure iems do. I'm more of a fan of the TG334 laid back detailed wide staged vocals.  I'm a big vocals guy:etysmile:  
Thanks. That's what I thought about the shures too. They to me sounded like the 535 with more bass and a little better highs. But was the same sound to me really. You could probably eq the 535 to come close maybe. And as for the ck10's. I made the mistake of tring to clean then not realizing that they had a filter and pushed them in by mistake. Dah! Me lol. Anyways I put a set of etymotic filters in them and at first I wasn't that crazy about the sound. Maybe they were that dirty before that they really weren't that clear. Now I've been listening to them all night cause I thought I'd give it another try. Well to my surprise they sound fantastic really. The mids are just unbelievable on these things huh? Like I have had quit a few mid tear iems like the 535 and the w4 and to me IMO they can't touch how vocals sound on these. You can tell me till your blue in the face lol these have the best mids bar non. And very good treble one of the best I've heard maybe almost as good as the 3003's. Maybe not as good but very close. The bass don't lack either. Very fast. And a nice soundstage too. I'm glad I gave these another listen after I thought I screwd them up lol. Thanks for the reply smily_headphones1.gif
post #1480 of 1523
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Originally Posted by SilverEars View Post

Ok, is there a filter that would be low pass, meaning it would filter the treble extensions?  Not sure if I should try it, it may f*** up my CK10s



Not much of a fan in regards to price, I think the sound can be had for much less.  I'm not really into Shure sound sig, the grainy vocals turn me off, it has too much forward texture.  Thee CK10 has texture, but it's providing details, not going beyond that and making scratchy forward vocals which the Shure iems do. I'm more of a fan of the TG334 laid back detailed wide staged vocals.  I'm a big vocals guy:etysmile:  
And sorry. Yes there is a low pass filter like you say. When I had the filters out. Omg the treble was crazy pitchy lol ya I couldn't listen to them like that without the filters in. Lol
post #1481 of 1523

Where do I get the filters?  I want to get varieties of filters to try out.  Hopefully, the stock ones are meant to be taken out and to be replaced?  

 

I'm listening to CK10 now, besides the sparkly trebles which I am not a fan of, these are excellent.  To my ears, CK10 are the true neutral except the treble.  I think it has enough of everything, the mids, lows are not too much, wide sound stage(stage is not exaggerated).  Everything sounds tight.  Loving the mids, voices are sounding really nice.  Very detailed phones.

 

The stock tips are a perfect fit for me.  To get a wide stage, you want to stop inserting as soon as it first seals.


Edited by SilverEars - 3/25/14 at 9:36pm
post #1482 of 1523
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Where do I get the filters?  I want to get varieties of filters to try out.  Hopefully, the stock ones are meant to be taken out and to be replaced?  

I'm listening to CK10 now, besides the sparkly trebles which I am not a fan of, these are excellent.  To my ears, CK10 are the true neutral except the treble.  I think it has enough of everything, the mids, lows are not too much, wide sound stage(stage is not exaggerated).  Everything sounds tight.  Loving the mids, voices are sounding really nice.  Very detailed phones.

The stock tips are a perfect fit for me.  To get a wide stage, you want to stop inserting as soon as it first seals.
I believe you can buy them at knowles the makers of the drivers. I think they make these drivers lol anyways yes there or at etymotic online or eBay. The green ones from etymotic don't let as much bass through I believe as the like red ones will or orange ones. But the green ones seem to work great for me anyways. Much clearer then when I got these used from someone. They sounded very clear then but now wow amazing clarity and very transparent.
post #1483 of 1523
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Originally Posted by SilverEars View Post

Where do I get the filters?  I want to get varieties of filters to try out.  Hopefully, the stock ones are meant to be taken out and to be replaced?  

I'm listening to CK10 now, besides the sparkly trebles which I am not a fan of, these are excellent.  To my ears, CK10 are the true neutral except the treble.  I think it has enough of everything, the mids, lows are not too much, wide sound stage(stage is not exaggerated).  Everything sounds tight.  Loving the mids, voices are sounding really nice.  Very detailed phones.

The stock tips are a perfect fit for me.  To get a wide stage, you want to stop inserting as soon as it first seals.
I think most BA earphones have some sort of filter. I could be wrong on that but I know that the shures do and etys do and I think ue does too. And I agree the high are ,, well quit high lol well extended I believe. I tried the akg 3003 which I'm interested in at this moment. And they have very well extended highs too. They sounded great at low to medium to medium high volume. Amazing actually. But when I turned the volume up high the highs were to me too peircing. Sorry I'm not the greatest at all the terms on here lol they are probably the best sounding iem I've heard at a low volume. These sound great too at low volumes but also aound good cranked up. I didn't have much time with the 3003 but I think they would do better then these with all genders. But are they worth like three times the price of these when they were released?? IMO I'd have to say NO WAY. !! These are quit remarkable.
post #1484 of 1523

hey guys, i'm looking for new tips for my CK10's. any suggestions?. Thank you

post #1485 of 1523
Ebay
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