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post #106 of 1523
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Originally Posted by ksu06 View Post
Haha, pushing me to save money with the CK10 rather than the W2, I appreciate that!
You will save a little money, and again, if you find the right fit/tip, you should not be disappointed. Don't get me wrong, the W2s are an excellent IEM. I can only report what I heard in my comparison listening.

One other thing, for the first time ever, I now see why flac files can make a difference. Never could hear it before, now, with 10GB of flac rips on micro cards in the Clip+, I can really hear why people find lossless worth the hassle.
post #107 of 1523
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Originally Posted by Thrashingshrimp View Post
For anyone who is interested, I'm getting the CK10 remolded with an extra LF driver. Will be ready in a month I suspect.

Quite exciting!
I thought about this today, along with just the idea, in general, about remolding universals into customs. Not long ago, I was of the mind that transforming a universal into a custom necessarily would make it a better IEM. Now, I'm not so certain.

Correct me if I'm mistaken. Essentially, the remolding is like taking a speaker, say, a B&W N805, removing the drivers/crossovers out of it, and placing it into another enclosure made by someone other than Bowers and Wilkins. It seems to me that since B&W did extensive R&D to get the N805 to sound the way they thought best, utilizing the materials they deemed appropriate to create the sound they were after, that putting the "guts" of their product into an enclosure made by some other company might, though not necessarily, change the sound for the worst.

But adding another bass/midrange driver to that same N805, I don't realistically see that the sound quality would improve. I seems counterintuative to the product design.

I think this line of thinking could also be applied to IEMs. And quite possibly to a greater degree.

What I've found with the CK10's is that it appears the sound quality changes dramatically depending on the insertion level. I can only surmise that the driver needs to be within a certain distance from the ear drums, with the proper seal, to achieve the frequency response and sound quality intended by its designers. So if the reshelling is done by anyone other than AT, it seems a risky move. One might not be able to get the correct distance to obtain the desired sound.

As I find the bass sufficient for my musical tastes already, I'd be concerned that adding an additional driver, along with the tweaking of the crossover that would necessitate such an addition, would somehow damage that which makes the 10's so magical to my ears; the pristine clarity of the entire frequency spectrum.

I do hope that your new CK10's will be more enjoyable after the addition of the bass driver. Please do keep us informed.
post #108 of 1523
You are on to something. I can really see the logic. Long story short, the reshell of my TF10s did change the sound, not necessarily for the worse, but it's different (and that can be good). However, I don't want the CK10s to sound any different with a reshell, I want them exactly the same. So to me, not worth the risk (unless I can afford two pair).

The main problem with my reshell is my fault. I used an old pair of custom sleeves for scanning rather than get new impressions, and I think they might be too short, cause when I press on them ever so lightly, they sound more alive and dynamic. Not by much, but enough to be annoying. I might get new impressions down the road and have them redone. But for now, why bother with the CK10s.
post #109 of 1523
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Originally Posted by james444 View Post
^ Read up on the Panasonic HJE900 and Ortofon e-Q7.
Yeah I am following those e-Q7 threads too and of course have read yours comparisons to others high end

One thing that hold me from the e-Q7 is instrument seperation. I have gone through some Japanese forums too and there are users saying that e-Q7's instrument seperation and imaging is just on the average side. I have read that this is kind of mid-oriented phones, and I am afraid the mids would be too forward for my taste.

What I define as of good earphone/headphone: good instrument seperation, imaging, details,and clarity, and preferably big soundstage. Sound signature I prefer: good highs, not too recessed nor too forward mids, and quality punchy bass.

I have done a quick research on HJE900. Positive reviews so far, with some users having sibilance issues and complaining lack of bass. I don't get much information on head-fi forum though...
post #110 of 1523
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Originally Posted by tstarn06 View Post
I hope the CK10 bass doesn't disappoint. It's pretty much on par with the W2, in terms of quantity, but maybe a little more punchy. I only use the EQ because the Sony Clear Bass is a viable option. I also listened to the CK10s through my Zune, no EQ, and Amp3, no EQ, and the bass is fine, part of the overall CK10 balanced sound.

Don't just take my word for it, there is Shigzeo, Joker, AudioDwebe, AwakenedBeing, mp3, vorlon1, dwizard, and others. I just favor them over my other two IEMs, plain and simple. Seems that 95 percent of those who have reviewed/heard the CK10s are on the same page. There's good reason for it.
Yes I have gone through those threads gathering information. It was then I found out someone (Spyro?) saying that those who love ER4 should try out W2. I would like to give Ety (regarded highly for its details and clarity) a try too but I am pretty sure that it's bass won't make me happy...So, I am looking elsewhere this time and I knew that you have a CK10 on your way, so I was waiting for your comparisons between CK10 and W2. Perhaps on head-fi now you are the only one who have both
post #111 of 1523
I too have been interested in the e-Q7 as well as the CK10. I started a comparative thread about them, but unfortunately there doesn't appear to be many people around who have both. Now on to the delicate subject of insertion. I don't enjoy inserting earphones or earplugs deeply into my ears. I haven't experienced any problems using the SE530 and I can wear it for extended periods of time, but I prefer the TF10 and IE8 because they are shallower fitting phones that don't make my ears feel as blocked. Is the CK10 meant to be inserted farther into the ear than say the SE530 for example?
post #112 of 1523
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Originally Posted by KLS View Post
Yes I have gone through those threads gathering information. It was then I found out someone (Spyro?) saying that those who love ER4 should try out W2. I would like to give Ety (regarded highly for its details and clarity) a try too but I am pretty sure that it's bass won't make me happy...So, I am looking elsewhere this time and I knew that you have a CK10 on your way, so I was waiting for your comparisons between CK10 and W2. Perhaps on head-fi now you are the only one who have both
I already noted in this thread that I prefer the CK10s over the W2s. Didn't do a detailed comparison but all I can say is the W2s, with the custom tips even, sound a little more congested (if that is the right word, might be muddy) compared to the CK10s. I can't impress how much the CK10s force me to listen to my collection, more than any new IEM I have ever owned. The W2s are perfectly fine IEMs, even at the price point. I am not saying they are congested or muddy on balanc. But the CK10s, which remember are $400 MSRP IEMs, are just better all-round IEMs with cleaner, clearer more dynamic sound. They sound, as AudioDwebe and others say, spectacular to me. I will be curious to see if anyone has both W2 and CK10 agrees. I would bet they do.
post #113 of 1523
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Originally Posted by iponderous View Post
I too have been interested in the e-Q7 as well as the CK10. I started a comparative thread about them, but unfortunately there doesn't appear to be many people around who have both. Now on to the delicate subject of insertion. I don't enjoy inserting earphones or earplugs deeply into my ears. I haven't experienced any problems using the SE530 and I can wear it for extended periods of time, but I prefer the TF10 and IE8 because they are shallower fitting phones that don't make my ears feel as blocked. Is the CK10 meant to be inserted farther into the ear than say the SE530 for example?
Never owned the 530, but had the IE8 and TF10s, and yes, the CK10s need to be planted deeper than the Senns or UEs, no doubt about it. If you have owned Etys, it's almost the same. Having said that, I suffer no discomfort with the shure flanges, none. I am falling asleep with the CK10s in my ears, no discomfort at all. If you can use the flanges, then I don't see a problem. But if any deep tip insertion bugs you, I would stay away from the CK10s (or customs for that matter).
post #114 of 1523
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Originally Posted by tstarn06 View Post
I already noted in this thread that I prefer the CK10s over the W2s. Didn't do a detailed comparison but all I can say is the W2s, with the custom tips even, sound a little more congested (if that is the right word, might be muddy) compared to the CK10s. I can't impress how much the CK10s force me to listen to my collection, more than any new IEM I have ever owned. The W2s are perfectly fine IEMs, even at the price point. I am not saying they are congested or muddy on balanc. But the CK10s, which remember are $400 MSRP IEMs, are just better all-round IEMs with cleaner, clearer more dynamic sound. They sound, as AudioDwebe and others say, spectacular to me. I will be curious to see if anyone has both W2 and CK10 agrees. I would bet they do.
I am not planning to get UM56 even if I bought the Westone's. So I am cancelling Westone 2 from my list...

By the way how does CK10 compare to your reshelled TF10 in terms of bass quantity and details?

Sorry for so many questions...
post #115 of 1523
just go ahead and order them KLS, mine is arriving on friday
post #116 of 1523
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Originally Posted by happybuns View Post
just go ahead and order them KLS, mine is arriving on friday
I had always like to try AT products but I want to use my money wisely
post #117 of 1523
Also noted in my comparison higher in this thread. I like the reshelled TF10s, but I made a mistake in sending some old custom sleeves and might need to have them redone. They are not as snug as I would like, and I think the sound tube is a bit too short. The reason I can tell is if I nudge them slightly (push on the cover plate), they sound better. Not as good as the CK10s in my view, but better than the original TF10s.

Bass quantity on the reshells is about the same as the CK10s, but the Trips are not the same as the CK10s on the detail front.
post #118 of 1523
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Originally Posted by KLS View Post
Yeah I am following those e-Q7 threads too and of course have read yours comparisons to others high end

One thing that hold me from the e-Q7 is instrument seperation. I have gone through some Japanese forums too and there are users saying that e-Q7's instrument seperation and imaging is just on the average side. I have read that this is kind of mid-oriented phones, and I am afraid the mids would be too forward for my taste.

What I define as of good earphone/headphone: good instrument seperation, imaging, details,and clarity, and preferably big soundstage. Sound signature I prefer: good highs, not too recessed nor too forward mids, and quality punchy bass.

I have done a quick research on HJE900. Positive reviews so far, with some users having sibilance issues and complaining lack of bass. I don't get much information on head-fi forum though...
That's very true. I too find e-Q7 rather weak in those areas. My RE0 has much better separation. I plan on getting these CK10s now. Hopefully they will give me RE0 separation along with e-Q7 level of micro-detail and dynamics + good imaging.
post #119 of 1523
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Originally Posted by KLS View Post
I had always like to try AT products but I want to use my money wisely

CK10's...very wise, indeed.

You may very well find that it's the best $200 investment you've made in audio.

Before my purchase of the CK10's, I was (like many of you) interested in most of the higher end cans and IEMs (HD800, PS1000, T1, HE-5, JH13) and had pretty much decided that later this year, after dropping about 25 pounds, I was going to go for the JH13's. After having had the CK10s for a very short time I got tunnel vision and the only cans/IEM that I saw in my future became the CK100 and W5000.

It's strange, really. I've been in the headphone hobby going on four years and have had in my possession many of the higher end and some high end cans and IEMs. And I've enjoyed them all.

But with the inclusion of the CK10's into my life, I've finally found what I didn't know I was looking for. It just sort of happened. I never expected to like a listening device as much as I like these little wonders. For me, I'm not sure I can find better...which is a totally weird feeling to have.
post #120 of 1523
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Originally Posted by AudioDwebe View Post
CK10's...very wise, indeed.

You may very well find that it's the best $200 investment you've made in audio.

Before my purchase of the CK10's, I was (like many of you) interested in most of the higher end cans and IEMs (HD800, PS1000, T1, HE-5, JH13) and had pretty much decided that later this year, after dropping about 25 pounds, I was going to go for the JH13's. After having had the CK10s for a very short time I got tunnel vision and the only cans/IEM that I saw in my future became the CK100 and W5000.

It's strange, really. I've been in the headphone hobby going on four years and have had in my possession many of the higher end and some high end cans and IEMs. And I've enjoyed them all.

But with the inclusion of the CK10's into my life, I've finally found what I didn't know I was looking for. It just sort of happened. I never expected to like a listening device as much as I like these little wonders. For me, I'm not sure I can find better...which is a totally weird feeling to have.
I am sure that moving to JH13 will be worth it. 6 drivers vs. 2 - it's a no brainer IMO.
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