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post #31 of 108
2/18/10 at 5:29pm
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Originally Posted by Parafeed View Post
That's why we all agree on what is the "best" source, "best" amp and "best" headphone. Nothing subjective about it at all.
I'm not talking about subjective preference. I'm talking about the gear's ability to resolve exactly what's on/in the disc/audio file, or as close to exact as possible.
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post #32 of 108
2/18/10 at 5:32pm
What's this mod. we are talking about? Link please.

Would someone compair the 3 headphones for the original poster. Please.
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post #33 of 108
2/18/10 at 7:12pm
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Originally Posted by IPodPJ View Post
I'm not talking about subjective preference. I'm talking about the gear's ability to resolve exactly what's on/in the disc/audio file, or as close to exact as possible.
And how do you KNOW what that really is?!? I am not sure that it is really possible. Even the recording and mastering engineers don't KNOW exactly how well they captured the live event and how well it was transcribed onto the disk/LP, as their own playback equipment is not perfect. Every audio system, no matter the quality, plays back the recording is it interprets it. The subjective part of it all is whether the listener likes what they hear and thinks it sounds real TO THEM.

Now, back to the headphone comparisons...
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post #34 of 108
2/18/10 at 7:28pm
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Originally Posted by 4N6 View Post
And how do you KNOW what that really is?!? I am not sure that it is really possible. Even the recording and mastering engineers don't KNOW exactly how well they captured the live event and how well it was transcribed onto the disk/LP, as their own playback equipment is not perfect. Every audio system, no matter the quality, plays back the recording is it interprets it. The subjective part of it all is whether the listener likes what they hear and thinks it sounds real TO THEM.

Now, back to the headphone comparisons...
All Ipod said was that the HD800 is a more resolving headphone. This means it reveals more details. I don't think that's difficult to understand and is recognizable from listening.
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post #35 of 108
2/19/10 at 9:03am
Just to topic, HD800 are great headphones, but I slightly prefer Jh13 to them.

My experience with Grado is quite small, I only tried Grado HF2, and I prefer even AKG K701 to them.
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post #36 of 108
3/16/10 at 6:49pm
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Originally Posted by 4N6 View Post
And how do you KNOW what that really is?!? I am not sure that it is really possible. Even the recording and mastering engineers don't KNOW exactly how well they captured the live event and how well it was transcribed onto the disk/LP, as their own playback equipment is not perfect. Every audio system, no matter the quality, plays back the recording is it interprets it. The subjective part of it all is whether the listener likes what they hear and thinks it sounds real TO THEM.[emphasis added]

Now, back to the headphone comparisons...
If we can step back from absolutes such as "exactly" and "perfect" for a moment, I think we can all agree that intended SQ is not that difficult to ascertain. In high-end equipment, we hear more of what's in the recording; in low-end, less.

We determine "more" or "less" by the simple act of comparing. Most of us have listened to our favorite tracks over a wide range of equipment, and we can tell how well different equipment presents the details in music. We use words such as resolution, revealing, accuracy, definition, discriminating, clarity, dynamic, neutral, fidelity, honesty, etc. to describe what we hear. The words are different, but after a while we understand one another and the meaning is clear.

No, this process is less than exact and perfect, but we learn, after a while, that it works fairly well. When folks such iPodPJ say that a piece of equipment or a certain combo of equipment is accurate, I know what they're saying and I'm pretty certain that I'll have similar results.

It comes down to learning who to trust, and this is something everyone has to decide on his/her own.
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post #37 of 108
3/16/10 at 8:27pm
I had a chance to listen to the HD800 for a few days in my system.

They are probably the best headphone in the world ... technically. Detail retrieval was amazing, soundstage boggling but ultimately I found my 650 to be a much better headphone overall.

The 800 have no life, no soul. The 650 for all their faults have a vivacious, visceral energy about them that gives life to music.

If I were an audio engineer I would absolutely get a pair of 800 for monitoring/mixing (or whatever it is they do) but to actually enjoy music I'll stick with my 650.

Know, I wonder if the PS-1000 know how to boogie?
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post #38 of 108
3/17/10 at 9:43am
Gazza, I don't own the HD800 and I own the PS1000 exactly because of what you wrote. For me, the GS1000i is enough of the boogieman in face of the HD800. I also like the HD650 but only re-cabled. With the stock cable they sound caricatural to me.
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post #39 of 108
3/17/10 at 12:13pm
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Originally Posted by feifan View Post
If we can step back from absolutes such as "exactly" and "perfect" for a moment, I think we can all agree that intended SQ is not that difficult to ascertain. In high-end equipment, we hear more of what's in the recording; in low-end, less.

We determine "more" or "less" by the simple act of comparing. Most of us have listened to our favorite tracks over a wide range of equipment, and we can tell how well different equipment presents the details in music. We use words such as resolution, revealing, accuracy, definition, discriminating, clarity, dynamic, neutral, fidelity, honesty, etc. to describe what we hear. The words are different, but after a while we understand one another and the meaning is clear.

No, this process is less than exact and perfect, but we learn, after a while, that it works fairly well. When folks such iPodPJ say that a piece of equipment or a certain combo of equipment is accurate, I know what they're saying and I'm pretty certain that I'll have similar results.

It comes down to learning who to trust, and this is something everyone has to decide on his/her own.
Completely agree.

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Originally Posted by Gazza View Post
The 800 have no life, no soul. The 650 for all their faults have a vivacious, visceral energy about them that gives life to music.
I thought the same thing initially, but after spending a month with both, I never even touch the HD650s anymore. It's not something I would expect someone at a meet to realize. You have to first give the new headphone a fair chance by acclimating to and understanding its sound signature. Right now, you're used to the HD650 and anything with less bass will, on short auditions, sound anemic, anything with more highs bright...you get the picture. You need ample time with both headphones to appreciate the differences.
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post #40 of 108
3/17/10 at 7:38pm
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Originally Posted by Shahrose View Post
I thought the same thing initially, but after spending a month with both, I never even touch the HD650s anymore. It's not something I would expect someone at a meet to realize. You have to first give the new headphone a fair chance by acclimating to and understanding its sound signature. Right now, you're used to the HD650 and anything with less bass will, on short auditions, sound anemic, anything with more highs bright...you get the picture. You need ample time with both headphones to appreciate the differences.
Not exactly. I can switch between the PS1000 and a recabled pair of the HD650 with ease. Each pair needs several minutes of brain adjustment and that's it. I had the HD800 for several days but during that time they were the same headphones continually.
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post #41 of 108
3/20/10 at 5:57am
To be fair, the 800s I heard only had about 30 hours on them with the stock cable. I remember hating the 650s for a long time and it wasn't until I recabled them and burned them in that I fell in love.

Maybe I'll get a pair of 800 with some ALO cable.
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post #42 of 108
3/20/10 at 6:41am
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Originally Posted by Gazza View Post
To be fair, the 800s I heard only had about 30 hours on them with the stock cable. I remember hating the 650s for a long time and it wasn't until I recabled them and burned them in that I fell in love.

Maybe I'll get a pair of 800 with some ALO cable.
After hundreds of hours the hd800's had the same soul-less signature to me, and I doubt a re-cable could change the signature dramatically.
Of course you could convince yourself otherwise as many have, some neurolinguistic programming and thats it....
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post #43 of 108
3/20/10 at 8:01am
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Originally Posted by GuyDebord View Post
After hundreds of hours the hd800's had the same soul-less signature to me, and I doubt a re-cable could change the signature dramatically.
Of course you could convince yourself otherwise as many have, some neurolinguistic programming and thats it....
May I ask? What did you have those soul-less HD 800 hooked to?

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Originally Posted by feifan View Post
If we can step back from absolutes such as "exactly" and "perfect" for a moment, I think we can all agree that intended SQ is not that difficult to ascertain. In high-end equipment, we hear more of what's in the recording; in low-end, less.

We determine "more" or "less" by the simple act of comparing. Most of us have listened to our favorite tracks over a wide range of equipment, and we can tell how well different equipment presents the details in music. We use words such as resolution, revealing, accuracy, definition, discriminating, clarity, dynamic, neutral, fidelity, honesty, etc. to describe what we hear. The words are different, but after a while we understand one another and the meaning is clear.

No, this process is less than exact and perfect, but we learn, after a while, that it works fairly well. When folks such iPodPJ say that a piece of equipment or a certain combo of equipment is accurate, I know what they're saying and I'm pretty certain that I'll have similar results.

It comes down to learning who to trust, and this is something everyone has to decide on his/her own.
Really well said! I mean that, I wish more people including my "self" would stop using words like "exactly" and "perfect" "soul-less" (not picking on you guys). Words like that, just end the conversation. Or take it off track.

A great example:.. 4N6 is a great headfier,,with a great ear. We can all learn from him, don't let the sidebars, distract from the original post, (for sure,, ) even if you disagree. Maybe we can take some of those words away from him LOL.

4N6 has the most soul-less HD 800 I have ever had the pleasure to listen to so he has earned my respect and trust. My point is if you want someone to compare headphones signatures,,He is very good at it. His tastes may be different than yours but his ear is great. Soul-less tells us nothing but you have made up your mind, but not how the HD 800 headphones sound compared to the PS 1000.

I personally liked the PS 1000 at CanJam and I am considering a set at the moment, the only thing that is holding me back is that in meet conditions they has so many things in common that the Grados may not be much of a change at all, slightly lateral at most.
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post #44 of 108
3/20/10 at 8:14am
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Originally Posted by markmaxx View Post
May I ask? What did you have those soul-less HD 800 hooked to?
This was my impression thread, it was done at the early times when you couldnt say negative things about them, so it got closed .... people here can get very nasty

http://www.head-fi.org/forums/f4/twi...e-soul-441430/
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post #45 of 108
3/20/10 at 8:40am
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Originally Posted by GuyDebord View Post
This was my impression thread, it was done at the early times when you couldnt say negative things about them, so it got closed .... people here can get very nasty

http://www.head-fi.org/forums/f4/twi...e-soul-441430/
Thank you..

A quick read.. well said my friend. I never understood the L3000 leather head?? (my opinion..and I never spent much time with a set,, meets only, and they are $$ just to give them the chance to convince me they are truly hi end phones)

PS. you said soul-less here, but in your review you made a great case for what you were hearing. New respect for you...Thanks.
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