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post #511 of 684
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Originally Posted by dleblanc343 View Post

Aha, different strokes for different folks. I'm among those who agrees the LCD3 is worth almost twice the price of the LCD2; I guess I justify the accurate representation on sound more than anything.

 

I've owned the HD800, HE6, LCD2, LCD2 and HE500 for those wondering.

An LCD2 and another LCD2? different rev or typo?

post #512 of 684
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Aha, different strokes for different folks. I'm among those who agrees the LCD3 is worth almost twice the price of the LCD2; I guess I justify the accurate representation on sound more than anything.

 

 

I'd think that puts you in a minority of people overall. The LCD-3 was a money maker more than a big next step forward. 

post #513 of 684

I agree. I can't tell much difference between the LCD-2 and LCD-3. 

post #514 of 684
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The HD800 is not overpriced as it is the BEST dynamic headphone still in production.

 

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Originally Posted by dleblanc343 View Post

 

It's in fact a bargain headphone when compared to the likes of the LCD3, PS1000, TH900, STAX SR007/009, and other discontinued phones such as the K1000, Sony Qualia 010/ R10, and Grado HP series.

 

Only if you prefer the sort of sound signature that is the HD800. If you find it somewhat flawed or bland, then it is not worth the asking price and certainly not a bargain.

 

On the other hand, if you have an endless supply of wealth, everything is a "bargain".

post #515 of 684
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On the other hand, if you have an endless supply of wealth, everything is a "bargain".

 

Including the Liquid Gold from Cavali?

post #516 of 684

well when you start arguing about the high end its all up to personal tastes. Although I have not tried the LCD 3's I just have a hard time that upgrading from LCD 2 to 3 would be worth double the price for a noticeable % improvement. Its mostly cause its a price jump to 1 k -> 2 k. i am willing to however upgrade my HE-500 to HE-6 in the near future (I was planning on switching to speaker amps anyway so why not) which is less than a $500 jump if you buy in the forums compared to the LCD's about 1 k jump.

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Originally Posted by Beagle View Post

 

 

Only if you prefer the sort of sound signature that is the HD800. If you find it somewhat flawed or bland, then it is not worth the asking price and certainly not a bargain.

 

On the other hand, if you have an endless supply of wealth, everything is a "bargain".

I must admit that I benefit on pricing being that I'm in this business; but I still remain critical of performance for my own good and because of my student budget.

 

It does after all come down to sound presentation preferences, your rig and your uses for the headphone. I'm not clear without specifying these factors, which is my mistake redface.gif.

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well when you start arguing about the high end its all up to personal tastes. Although I have not tried the LCD 3's I just have a hard time that upgrading from LCD 2 to 3 would be worth double the price for a noticeable % improvement. Its mostly cause its a price jump to 1 k -> 2 k. i am willing to however upgrade my HE-500 to HE-6 in the near future (I was planning on switching to speaker amps anyway so why not) which is less than a $500 jump if you buy in the forums compared to the LCD's about 1 k jump.

Agreed, but you may be able to justify the LCD3 more after the amp upgrade. For one thing, the HE500 and HE6 are more different than similar in comparison to the Audez'e.

 

The HE6 is another beast altogether on a speaker amp. My Mc225 with them sounds marvelous.


Edited by dleblanc343 - 7/2/13 at 4:41pm
post #518 of 684

yes, they are.

post #519 of 684
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I must admit that I benefit on pricing being that I'm in this business; but I still remain critical of performance for my own good and because of my student budget.

 

It does after all come down to sound presentation preferences, your rig and your uses for the headphone.

 

But you also have the benefit of being able to hear some of the best equipment, including wonderful loudspeakers, so at least you have a good point of audio reference, with regards to sonics and pricing. If a particular headphone seems to sonically match a loudspeaker that you like, and that speaker sells for $10,000-$20,000, the headphone would definitely seem like a bargain. But I won't get started on loudspeaker value-for-dollar biggrin.gif

post #520 of 684

if i rmr correctly they say the HE-5LE is more similar to HE-6 than HE-500?

 

I haven't listened to HE-6 but i have listened to HE-5LE and HE-500. I enjoy them both although they are a bit different.

post #521 of 684
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Originally Posted by Beagle View Post

 

But you also have the benefit of being able to hear some of the best equipment, including wonderful loudspeakers, so at least you have a good point of audio reference, with regards to sonics and pricing. If a particular headphone seems to sonically match a loudspeaker that you like, and that speaker sells for $10,000-$20,000, the headphone would definitely seem like a bargain. But I won't get started on loudspeaker value-for-dollar biggrin.gif

This is very true, but that's Hi-Fi! There are some hidden gems that are wonderful out there though! For instance, I tried out some Takstar Pro 80s the other day and was astouned by their quality for what they cost. Of course it's very colored, but it's damn fun and is well made and packaged.

 

If compared to the HD800, well, yes the HD800 is overpriced. But I think the HD800's examplary if compared with many similarly priced products.

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Originally Posted by Beagle View Post

 

But you also have the benefit of being able to hear some of the best equipment, including wonderful loudspeakers, so at least you have a good point of audio reference, with regards to sonics and pricing. If a particular headphone seems to sonically match a loudspeaker that you like, and that speaker sells for $10,000-$20,000, the headphone would definitely seem like a bargain. But I won't get started on loudspeaker value-for-dollar biggrin.gif

 

 

Imagine yourself at a party with everyone wearing the headphones connected to a zillion audio jacks. Not only you will be happy, but your neighbours as well.

just a thought. popcorn.gif


Edited by SmOgER - 7/5/13 at 3:52pm
post #523 of 684

What headphone isn't overpriced in some way...

post #524 of 684
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Originally Posted by paradoxper View Post

What headphone isn't overpriced in some way...

The ones that you've accepted the price, bought, and are thoroughly enjoying. For me that's Q701 and HD25-1 II.

The headphones that are overpriced are the ones you've accepted the price, bought, and have been disappointed with the performance. For me that's the Momentum.

For every other headphone it's purely a subjective opinion depending heavily on the ability to afford the headphone in question, and if so whether the cost will give a suitable return in terms of enjoyment, and pride of ownership.
post #525 of 684

Put simply, yes. It is. Even ignoring the almost all plastic build. The HD800 has far too many problems sonically to command that sort of a pricetag. A headphone with a cost of that magnitude should be completely free of deal-breaking flaws, like that wretched 10kHz peak that makes the treble into a cattle prod. Add in the diffuse imaging, poor bass response, lack of impact, unrealistic soundstage, and a very "soft" sound and it's just deplorable. It was hyper-detailed, sure, more than any headphone I've heard to date, but it was also incredibly boring to listen to due to what I've mentioned above. It failed to involve me whatsoever, and when a headphone can't get me involved in the music, I have no desire to listen to it. The HD800 isn't good at making music. What it is good at is absolutely obliterating poor recording jobs and low bitrate material. It'd be a good reference headphone... and nothing more.

I don't care how detailed it is, the things I mentioned are real problems and since this is supposed to be Sennheiser's flagship, those problems shouldn't exist. World-class headphones are for making music, not for staring at your audio files under an electron microscope and picking out every single nuance and imperfection. The HD800 at its current state is worth $1000 at the most, and even that is a stretch. I'd personally place it around the $800 mark. Sennheiser needs to invest time into fixing these problems before that headphone will do its $1500 price tag justice.

However, just to clear something up, in person the HD800 looks AND feels like a $1500 headphone. The build is downright excellent. Every single joint feels rock solid and the headband adjusters are so incredibly smooth that it feels like butter. There's absolutely nothing about the build to question. It's still my opinion that a $1500 headphone should be made of more than just plastic, but after actually feeling and wearing the cans, I wasn't left wanting more from the build.

Alright...

*Braces self for the inevitable attacks on his opinion*


Edited by takato14 - 7/6/13 at 11:36am
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