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Enforcement of the MSRP by Sennheiser is what bothers me...

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Originally Posted by peanuthead View Post

Enforcement of the MSRP by Sennheiser is what bothers me...

True true,



In toronto, you can get ;

- beyerdynamic T1 ~ $1100 (tax & shipping included)
- Denon AH-D700 ~ $700 (tax & shipping included)
- Ultrasone Edition 8 ~ $1100 (tax & shipping included)


But HD800 is fixed at $1599+(13% tax plus shipping) around $2000.



This is sad ... frown.gif
Edited by Canadian411 - 5/8/12 at 12:00pm
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The HD 800 is perfectly neutral, totally accurate, and offers an unparalleled soundstage IMO. To me, that is worth the price of admission. And if you are patient you can save $400-500 easy by carefully shopping for a slightly-used used set in mint condition
Edited by grokit - 5/8/12 at 12:12pm
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In Sweden, prices are: (taxes included)

 

Sennheiser HD800 at 9990kr = $1459

Beyerdynamic T1 at 9990kr = $1459

Denon AD-D7000 at 9990kr = $1459

Hifiman HE-6 at 10 000kr = $1462

Audeze LCD-2 at 10 600kr = $1550

Ultrasone Edition 8 at 11 225kr = $1644

Grado PS1000 at 16 850kr = $2460

 

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Originally Posted by Canadian411 View Post

In toronto, you can get ;

- beyerdynamic T1 ~ $1100 (tax & shipping included)
- Denon AH-D700 ~ $700 (tax & shipping included)
- Ultrasone Edition 8 ~ $1100 (tax & shipping included)


But HD800 is fixed at $1599+(13% tax plus shipping) around $2000.



This is sad ... frown.gif

Edited by davidgotsa - 5/8/12 at 12:17pm
post #335 of 684
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Originally Posted by grokit View Post

The HD 800 is perfectly neutral, totally accurate, and offers an unparalleled soundstage IMO. To me, that is worth the price of admission. And if you are patient you can save $400-500 easy by carefully shopping for a slightly-used used set in mint condition

Definitely not perfectly neutral no matter how you look at it. 

Accurate. Yes. Great imaging + soundstage. Yes. 

But you can do just as well with cans much less imo. 

post #336 of 684
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Originally Posted by grokit View Post

The HD 800 is perfectly neutral, totally accurate, and offers an unparalleled soundstage IMO. To me, that is worth the price of admission. And if you are patient you can save $400-500 easy by carefully shopping for a slightly-used used set in mint condition
Definitely not perfectly neutral no matter how you look at it. 
Accurate. Yes. Great imaging + soundstage. Yes. 
But you can do just as well with cans much less imo. 

Well okay, my first set wasn't completely neutral and I have done a good bit of tube rolling with my current pair so YMMV. But for me they are tied for best in my collection with the HE-6, which I also consider neutral but I listen to those out of a different amp.
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Originally Posted by davidgotsa View Post

In Sweden, prices are: (taxes included)

Sennheiser HD800 at 9990kr = $1459
Beyerdynamic T1 at 9990kr = $1459
Denon AD-D7000 at 9990kr = $1459
Hifiman HE-6 at 10 000kr = $1462
Audeze LCD-2 at 10 600kr = $1550
Ultrasone Edition 8 at 11 225kr = $1644
Grado PS1000 at 16 850kr = $2460

Oh my oh my,,,, I feel for you.. frown.gif
post #338 of 684
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Originally Posted by SolomonPierce View Post

I heard the hd800 supposed price on here before, and read about the 700 being delayed to be reworked.  I just have no love for Sennheiser as a company is all.

 

They make good cans but they're getting a bit too sure of themselves for my tastes as a buyer.

 

And China and Ireland don't count as "in house" so no, none of Senns line up other than the hd800 is made "in house" (read: in Germany).  hd25,600,650,700 are made in Ireland and the rest, up to and including the hd598 which I own and do love (though I bought it new at a reasonable $170) is made in China.  AKG (owned by Harman now so understandable) is 98% made in China other than the x70x line.  All of these companies do their research & development "in house" but production is outsourced.  Beyer does not do this.  That's all I was getting at, not trying to start a war. 

 

Of course Ireland is "in house" - the factory is totally Sennheiser in the same way as the factory in Wennebostal and the other factory in Burgdorf in Germany and the other factory in the USA - they are all totally all Sennheiser.  This is not "out sourced" in any way.

 

China is different, as far as I am aware, in that Sennheiser do not totally own and staff the factory there.

 

Sorry, you do not know what you are talking about.

 

 

 

 

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Originally Posted by SolomonPierce View Post

I never claimed to have heard the 800 (unfortunately), just saying from what I've read,

 

Then I would suggest you do not start throwing the **** until you really listen to them yourself on a good amp. instead of just rehashing what someone else has said - and do you know if that person actually has listened to them?

 

I have owned the HD 800 for over three years and know how they sound - I am also a recording engineer and know how they sound in comparison to the real musical instrument.

post #339 of 684
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Originally Posted by Sil3nce View Post

Definitely not perfectly neutral no matter how you look at it. 

Accurate. Yes. Great imaging + soundstage. Yes. 

But you can do just as well with cans much less imo. 

 

Nothing is perfect, but the HD 800 come pretty close.

 

I have not heard anything at a lower price, or even a higher price, that comes anywhere near the HD 800.

 

From your comments, it sounds like you have not actually listened to the HD 800 yourself properly.

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Or he disagrees with you about what constitutes perfect.  As I do.

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Of course, I would have wanted the HD800 to be less expensive. But given that it's tops (or near that) in detail, comfort, soundstage, and imaging - and really good everywhere else -- I believe it's priced realistically. 

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My above statements about neutrality in the HD 800 and HE-6 need to be qualified, because I have and will continue to debate endlessly that there is no such thing as perfect neutrality, with any kind of music whether reproduced or performed live*. I just meant as far as in comparison to other headphones that I have listened to, with my gear and hearing abilities.

*And I have to qualify that by saying that I haven't had a chance yet to evaluate an acapella performance in NASA's new vacum acoustic chamber cool.gif
Edited by grokit - 5/8/12 at 5:19pm
post #343 of 684
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Originally Posted by John Willett View Post

Nothing is perfect, but the HD 800 come pretty close.

I have not heard anything at a lower price, or even a higher price, that comes anywhere near the HD 800.

From your comments, it sounds like you have not actually listened to the HD 800 yourself properly.

Yeah. I feel there's a certain notion at play here.
a.) because certain people find the hd800 not nearly as accurate or neutral as others so proclaim( and have the sheer audacity to state it )
b.) someone else feels they need to defend the can by
a.) calling out the person who made the opinion as either not owning the can or not using a "good" enough rig
b.) detracting from the point by utilizing the nothing is perfect argument (no can is perfectly neutral, the hd800 is as good as you get)

Don"t get me wrong,
I know where you're coming from.
There's a lot of regurgitated crap on these threads as well as a lack of judgement.
But there's a certain degree of modicum and respect we pay to our peers.
Else-wise we end up sounding stuck-up or even rude.
Just a friendly reminder.

There are plenty of great iems/cans under the msrp of the hd800. Suggesting it's the end-all best [ as you did so above] and nothing can compete against it only emphasizes the fact you need to get out and try more!

The stax sr2020, sa5000, and jvc dx series are just some cans that perform just as well as the hd800 with different strengths.
Edited by Sil3nce - 5/8/12 at 7:54pm
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So the HD-800 is over priced............the Stax SR-009-a great headphone but you need an amp that costs over $5000. as well as the HP to get it to sound better than the 800 sound with a $2000. amp.  And see below for their price.....

 

 

 

STAX SR-009 Open-Back Electrostatic Earspeaker

Top line product from Stax, newly developed diaphram.
GES or WES amplifiers is a recommended driver.

The SR-009 is the product of repeated research trip to techology and material search without deviating from our stance to return to live sound and music always with refined sensitivity.

Price: $5200
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Originally Posted by dallan View Post


So the HD-800 is over priced............the Stax SR-009-a great headphone but you need an amp that costs over $5000. as well as the HP to get it to sound better than the 800 sound with a $2000. amp.  And see below for their price.....



STAX SR-009 Open-Back Electrostatic Earspeaker
Top line product from Stax, newly developed diaphram.


GES or WES amplifiers is a recommended driver.




The SR-009 is the product of repeated research trip to techology and material search without deviating from our stance to return to live sound and music always with refined sensitivity.









Price:

 $5200






And I suspect you'll post another 10 pictures of the final audio can.
Just because there are ridiculously expensive cans out there, doesn't mean people can't question the validity of the monetary value of say a hd800. Fac o matter is that Sennheiser wants to make money, the price control alludes to that. Now is it worth it? That's a whole 'nother story.
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