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post #1 of 19
Thread Starter 
As noted in my profile, my current portable is a Rio ce2100. Not only is it ridiculously scratched up, but the battery self discharges at an insane rate (I've had it for about 5 or six years now I think). I'm looking at getting a new player before I have a bunch of trips in a row. Right now I'm looking into touch screen players.

First a few things:
My library consists of mp3, wma (mainly from ruckus), and some flac (although all this means is that I can put those files into any format). My video library is split between H.264 and XviD in various containers (avi, mkv, mp4, mov).

Current candidates with my notes on them:

iPod Touch
The obvious choice in terms of market share. Has the most accessories. Closed environment, so can't use for storage. Debated sq from HP, not debated on LO. Huge amount of applications. Battery life unknown for current generation (wifi off, auto screen brightness). Audio format support mediocre for my library (have a bunch of wma from ruckus). Video format support very specific (H.264 in either mp4, m4v, or mov). LCD screen in HVGA 3:2. Not exactly wanting to get iTunes because syncing will be the only time I use it.

Zune HD
Supported by a major company in the US (although not necessarily major in said market), thus likely has decent accessories. Closed environment, so can't use for storage. HP supposedly nice. EQ is preset, unknown usefulness. Few applications, but the basic ones are either present or in development (e.g. facebook, twitter). Battery life decent. Format support fits my library (although my lossless is in FLAC atm). Screen quality excellent. Ability to dock and output to TV via HDMI with S/PDIF audio. Not exactly wanting to install other software since I'll only use it for syncing. I suppose Zune Pass is also worth mentioning.
Cowon S9
Relatively unknown company in the US (general market). Accessories are somewhat few and far between, although it is possible to get nice ones. Open environment (i.e. can use as a flash drive). HP sq debated. EQ/BBE has custom settings as well as presets (of debated quality). Ridiculous audio format support, mediocre video support ("unofficially" does H.264). Excellent screen. Community development of interface. Battery life varying from absolutely ridiculous to average. Drag and drop .

At this point, I'm somewhat leaning toward the S9 because of its open environment (of course, there could be a hack for the iTouch that I don't knokw about), and because then it's not "just like everybody else". Sony X is not on the list because the current price is far above even the ipod touch of the same capacity. I don't remember why I'm not considering the Samsung P3. Opinions/suggestions/etc?
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post #3 of 19
Get a Sansa Clip plus or a fuze, cheap, excellent sound quality, future proof in terms of capacity, due to support for expandable memory.
post #4 of 19
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Originally Posted by kunalraiker View Post
Get a Sansa Clip plus or a fuze, cheap, excellent sound quality, future proof in terms of capacity, due to support for expandable memory.
A Sansa Clip can't play a video at all, and the Fuze's screen would be inferior and smaller than any of the 3 listed.

Best choice of the 3 would probably be the Zune HD, especially if you want good video support. If you really want apps, iPod would be the way to go. If audio's your top priority, go Cowon.

FWIW, you can easily use Handbrake to convert all your videos to the iPod or Zune HD.
post #5 of 19
I'm pretty sure you can't drag and drop on any Zunes, including the HD. It's probably more locked down than Ipods.

I use Videora Zune HD converter for videos. Works very well. On another note - the Zune HD is supposed to have Xvid support coming soon..ish. Not sure when it should be done.

Also, I'd think the S9 has superior battery life to the other by a fair margin. The battery life on the HD is okay. The D2 I had was incredible on battery life though and I can't imagine the S9 is worse.
post #6 of 19
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Originally Posted by Very Legal View Post
If you Have lot of trips, Battery will be a important issue for your consideration. S:flo2's battery is rated as 8 hours. that means you almost need to look for charging facilities every day.
post #7 of 19
I'd recommend you to try out the Zune program first, since it's one of the options. It's so that you'll see what you'll have to live with if you do purchase the ZHD. If you don't like the program, then it's already off the list.
post #8 of 19
Zalithian is right about the Zune family being very locked down. Before the 3.0 iPod Touch update, I could sync music with MediaMonkey, which made me very happy

I posted a link: Zune HD to get XviD, better playlists | CES 2010 - CNET a while ago which shows that the ZHD will be able to play DivX in the future, albiet with some restrictions, probably.

If a LOT of your collection is FLAC, go with the S9. I have most of my music in lossy MP3 at the time, and don't plan to rerip in FLAC until I get a new PMP.

I'm absolutely smitten with ZHD build quality, and less than impressed with the S9s {yes, I know it's not poor, but compared with ZHD, it leaves something to be desired}. The best of both worlds would probably be the P3 {drag+drop, video codec amazingness, FLAC, etc.}. I don't know why you aren't considering it either

The reason I started to count it {samsung p3} out of my considerations is lack of blind/pocket control. Also, the fact that it doesn't have AMOLED is sad.

Finally, I'd like to throw out a 4th option: Buy a clip/fuze for now, and WAIT.



There are some very nifty new devices coming out, like the Cowon J3 {if this has a MicroSD slot, it'll be great}, and the Viliv P3 {if this has FLAC/a playback UI better than stock android, it'll be great}, that show some promise.

EDIT: Excellent suggestion by Ojsinnerz. I really don't like the Zune software too much, but not enough to dissuade me from getting one if there was a great deal.
post #9 of 19
I would recommend the ipod touch just because of the crazy amount of apps that are at your fingertips. I've had mine for about 6 months and I love it. From what I've ready, safari on the touch is faster and runs better than any other mobile browser out there. IMO it has great sound quality from the headphone jack, and it's pretty decent with playing video's. Also if you don't want it to feel so locked down, you can always try jailbreaking it.
post #10 of 19
Whats kind of fun about these threads is how people who only have experience with the product they own recommend it over something they have never even tried out..
I'd ignore all the fanboys and take the opinion of those who actually have tried various players into account.

Forum trolls, onward we march!!!
post #11 of 19
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Originally Posted by BassThor View Post
Whats kind of fun about these threads is how people who only have experience with the product they own recommend it over something they have never even tried out..
I'd ignore all the fanboys and take the opinion of those who actually have tried various players into account.

Forum trolls, onward we march!!!
Hehe. I've used all of them for a reasonable amount of time, therefore, my opinion is valid.
post #12 of 19
okay u need:
Video format: H.264 and XviD in various containers (avi, mkv, mp4, mov).
Audio format: mp3, wma, flac

lets go one by one...

ipod touch: not support wma
zune hd: not support flac
sony x1000: not support flac and wma


Cowon S9 and Samsung P3

source: Cowon iAudio S9 vs Samsung YP-P3

Cowon S9
Audio: MP3, WMA, FLAC, OGG, WAV, APE
Video: MPEG-4, DivX, XviD, WMV

Samsung P3
Audio: MP3, WMA, AAC, FLAC, OGG, WAV
Video: MPEG-4, DivX, XviD, WMV, H.264, Other

it is clear that Samsung P3 is the best option for your criteria


i myself recommend Samsung yp-M1 if you can get 1, it is better than P3 overall
post #13 of 19
Thread Starter 
ipoodz just reminded me: I think it was the difficulty of "pocket control" or even just blind control. While it has buttons up top, I'd rather that be on the side (or at least have two sets like on S9). While the ZHD somewhat has this problem, gestures can get you anything but pause/play.

As another note, I should probably note that only a small portion of my collection is FLAC, which I keep for transcoding purposes.
post #14 of 19
for blind control:

1st ranking: Sony X1000
2nd ranking: Cowon S9 and Samsung P3
post #15 of 19
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Originally Posted by BassThor View Post
Whats kind of fun about these threads is how people who only have experience with the product they own recommend it over something they have never even tried out..
I'd ignore all the fanboys and take the opinion of those who actually have tried various players into account.

Forum trolls, onward we march!!!
Lol.....You put down other peoples advice, yet you list no useful experience or helpful information on the topic yourself. Just because someone recommends a player because they have had experience with it doesn't make them a fanboy. I have not used all three players because I did my research before purchasing and decided which one would best fit my needs, like most consumers would do.
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