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post #31 of 41
1/17/10 at 2:12am
As for EQ only being valuable with weak/shoddy IEMs, I don't hear it that way. The Sony EQ (not all EQs, however) can make very good IEMs sound even better. Just my opinion.
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post #32 of 41
1/17/10 at 2:23am
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Originally Posted by stang View Post
Neeley I really don't like the name calling...Anyway, I have played with the settings before but couldn't find anything that I liked. If I was 12, I doubt I'd have the equipment I have now anyway. I have had the X for...I am guessing 4 months. I didn't want to have to muck around with the EQ again, as I like to leave everything default. Part of this thread was to let people know how I think the X compares to the iPod touch, which I think I have expressed. I do find the Touch's sound a tad artificial but I liked the 'cold' sound that ir produced, therefore disliking the X. I had to change a few settings and muck aroun with it for a couple of hours to get a good enough sound that I liked.

I was trying to conclude that I would sell the X if it didn't have the good EQ etc, because I dislke it's sound sig with my Westone's. I hope the other users with Westone UM3X will give the same settings a shot and see if they like it or not Also, yes I will be keeping the X.
No reason to explain yourself. It makes sense, and I use the Clear Bass with the custom TF10s I have and the W2s as well, and in both cases I find the EQ to be a nice addition to the already great SQ from those two phones.

If the X had the same crippled EQ as the Touch, for example, it would still be nice, but I agree, I probably would have sold mine too (just like I sold my Touch). Just imagine if Sony had melded Touch-like wifi/browsing features with its SQ and EQ, that would be the ultimate box.
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post #33 of 41
1/17/10 at 2:26am
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Yep. If it had a browser as good as the iPod Touch's Safari and good quality, loud speakers, it would be pretty much perfect. That wouldbe asking too much though and I wouldn't want to take a look at the price. I do not care for apps anyway . There is apparently a new firmware update that fixes some issues but I do not know more than that. BTW, how do you tell if you have the UK version or US? I forgot whicih ebay, us or uk I bought it from .
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post #34 of 41
1/17/10 at 6:13am
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Originally Posted by tstarn06 View Post
Really think so? Maybe he wanted the X to stand on its own, without EQ. Some people disdain using EQ. Either way, no reason to call anyone an idiot. The post/critique could have stood without that interjection.
I agree, Please be always courtesy for we headfiers are brothers and sisters.

Any body can change his impression for audtioning and music appreciation is a proceding. Why we can repeat listen to same music for hundred times?

For we always find different beatify from it, say, preivious, I don't like ROCk that much, but now, I like it very much. It is not my fault, Audio and music listening is a dynamic thing.
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post #35 of 41
1/17/10 at 6:29am
its rare to see someone love itouch sound than sony x1000
LOL

i have 2 itouch and never use it for music, only for browsing
lazy to use amp
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post #36 of 41
1/17/10 at 6:30am
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Yep, I must be used to the terrible sound they provide .
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post #37 of 41
1/17/10 at 2:10pm
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Originally Posted by Neeley View Post

Setting up the X's eq is a no brainer, even if you haven't used one before. It literally takes less than 3 minutes to get it in the right ball park.
I happen to agree with your assessment of the X's EQ. It is truly simple to get set right. I only really make adjustments by + or - 1 in a bandwidth or two max, to help overcome phones' deficiencies for the most part. I'll also tick up the CB +1, but that's because I like my nicely extended bass (and it's cool how the CB doesn't muddy things in the rest of the range). It's nowhere near as much of an epic struggle as say, the S9, where you have to fiddle away for ages until you find something that doesn't sound cold and lifeless. And with DAP's flat, I've never heard one that can come close. AMP3, Cowon S9, Kenwood, Trekstor..... nothing.
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post #38 of 41
1/17/10 at 4:13pm
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Originally Posted by stang View Post
Yep, I must be used to the terrible sound they provide .
I think you might just prefer a different sound signature and from your description, I think you may prefer the Cowon S9. The X1060 is indeed a warm player but I love it to bits because it still comes across as more resolved than my other DAPs. It offers the most involving and musical presentation of any DAP I've owned.

The reason I asked how long you had the player for is because of your description of the player as having a "dark" sound. This might not be everyone's experience but I certainly feel that the treble of the player really started to shine with a good amount of usage. I felt it was at first too calm with the IE8 compared to the S738. However, at this point I can say that for me the treble is one of m my favorite aspects of the player because it actually kills my other DAPs with regards to treble extension which gives a heightened sense of space, extremely silky/smooth/natural and it is able to reveal treble detail without being artificially boosted/strident, which means less listening fatigue for me.
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post #39 of 41
1/17/10 at 10:12pm
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Originally Posted by stang View Post
I HATE Dynamic Normalizer. All it does it when a part in a song isn't very loud, like an acoustic solo compared to a hardcore electric guitar chorus with screaming vocals, instead of it being, say 5db less, it brings it back up to 0db, the same volume as the rest of the song is, I dislike this because there is lag. There is about 2 or 3 secons oflag before it actually kicks in.
Okay, I didn't expect this. Stang is absolutely right, dynamic normalizer does seem to do something terrible to the sound *within* the track, whereas I had always previously assumed it just did overall volume levelling between tracks. I don't know if the normalizer is trying to actively keep volume levels the same throughout the track, or if function that is changing the volume is somehow affecting things, but I find that both dynamic range and detail is improved by turning the normalizer off. Anyone else find this on their Sony walkmans?
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post #40 of 41
1/17/10 at 10:37pm
I wouldn't say that I dislike what it does sonically to music material, but I've noticed that if I have CB on at all, while using DN, that distortion starts to creep in on really deep bass notes. Not good... so therefore I leave it off as well.
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post #41 of 41
1/17/10 at 11:21pm
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Originally Posted by cn11 View Post
I happen to agree with your assessment of the X's EQ. It is truly simple to get set right. I only really make adjustments by + or - 1 in a bandwidth or two max, to help overcome phones' deficiencies for the most part. I'll also tick up the CB +1, but that's because I like my nicely extended bass (and it's cool how the CB doesn't muddy things in the rest of the range). It's nowhere near as much of an epic struggle as say, the S9, where you have to fiddle away for ages until you find something that doesn't sound cold and lifeless. And with DAP's flat, I've never heard one that can come close. AMP3, Cowon S9, Kenwood, Trekstor..... nothing.
I didn't see anywhere where Stang says the X EQ was difficult to use, so Neeley's comments are really irrelevant and off point. And I am sure you don't agree with his use of the term "retarded" and "idiot" when describing the OP regarding his use, or anyone else's, of the Sony X EQ.

On your second point, now that I own the Sony X, I can say that the reason you've never heard a DAP that can come close to the X on the "flat" setting is because you've never heard the Amp3 with the right headphones. I have both Amp3 versions, and the Amp3 not only comes close, it surpasses the X when used with phones that synergize well with it. Granted, the X probably meshes with more phones than the Amp3 (and I do really like the X at the price I paid for it), but at it's best, the Amp3 is truly amazing. Really too bad you won't get a chance to hear it under those conditions. I would not use the Amp3 as my regualar DAP, but in terms of flat SQ, my opinion is it's as good as a player gets under the right scenario re phones.
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