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Originally Posted by roadcykler View Post
I appreciate your comments wavoman and perhaps I overreacted but I was responding to the disparaging comments posted here. I know Atkinson said "every audio component currently available in the US..." but then he qualified that with the info about contacting the manufacturers.

After reading the very positive review for the AKG 701's, I find it nearly impossible to believe they would omit them from the buyers guide unless AKG didn't respond with information about the complete line. It would be odd to see only one headphone listed under the AKG heading knowing that they offer several models, imo.

By the way. I changed the custom made solid gold knobs on my Realistic receiver to platinum and omg, the difference is astounding. My next task is to try and configure mercury into a hermetically sealed knob. I'd imagine the sound would be as liquid as is possible.
I see your point. We are on the same page. I will let everyone know what Atkinson says in reply to my email (not yet sent, I'm working on the perfect tone).

I am going to follow your idea, but to save money, I am going to spray-paint the knobs on my Realistic gear instead of replacing them. Do I need to use cryo paint to insure an improvement in SQ?
post #32 of 37
I've never liked Stereophile. It's always been driven by it's advertisers; commercially biased to say the least. Thanks for trying to change the perception of headphones being an inferior vehicle for music.
post #33 of 37
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Originally Posted by Kirosia View Post
Seriously, I really want to kill some people. I don't care for the reason.
You need a reason, legally. At least in Texas

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Originally Posted by roadcykler View Post
You've got to be kidding me? It's obvious that none of you read how they go about getting their info. It is in the guide that they send messages to all the manufacturers they are aware of (and AKG would be one of those) and if they respond all is well. If they don't, they contact them a second time. If they still don't respond it becomes obvious they must not care enough to want to be included.

Get off you headphone high horses.
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Originally Posted by wavoman View Post
Cykler, I'm not sure you have this right. And your final line is a tad insulting (to me, anyway). I say that with respect and friendship, since I enjoy your posts, including a brilliant one re this very magazine (Stereophile) a while back (wooden v metal knobs …).

So let me walk you through my thoughts if I may … perhaps when you finish reading this you will agree that your barb is not totally justified (but perhaps not ... still, my philosophy is always to aim for common ground).

For starters, what you claim is “obvious” is just not so -- I read the entire column thoroughly and completely (all of Page 3, very dense) as soon as I got the magazine. On my own, I thought of the idea you raised – that the HP manufacturers omitted did not respond – and considered it carefully before I made my original post.

But here’s the thing: John Atkinson wrote:

“You’ll find listed every audio component currently available in the US … We have headphones …”

He did not say anything like “except when the manufacturer did not answer us”. And then, when he explained the procedures they used to gather information, he wrote:

“Debbie and Claire did a second round of e-mailing to manufacturers that had not yet responded to the first …finally Stephen Mejias fact-checked all the spreadsheets … Stephen then proofed each page and contacted, one last time, those companies still not represented … Despite everyone’s efforts, I’m sure there are still some audio brands that should have been included but unfortunately have not been”

This would be the perfect place to insert a disclaimer – “if the manufacturer did not respond then they were dropped from the listings” but he does not say that. Rather, you get the impression that only smaller companies not in their database, companies they did not even know about, were omitted.

In other words, I have reached the opposite conclusion from you. The remark about “fact checking”, coupled with Atkinson’s first statement “every audio component”, leads me to believe they should have contacted and included AKG no matter what – after all, they named the AKG 701 their reference headphone (before the HD800 days)!

Similarly, did they really go out of their way to contact beyer-usa? Those guys are very responsive. My guess is that maybe they sent an email or two to Austria (AKG) and Germany (beyer) but that nobody at Stereophile really cares enough about headphones to work hard enough (which is not very hard, just use Google) to include these major manufacturers.

I do not believe they would not have omitted a major manufacturer from the other sections – they would be embarrassed. They should be embarrassed to omit AKG and beyer – two very, very famous audio companies for more than just headphones – from their directory.

I will email John Atkinson, and let you know what he says. I will copy Alan at beyer-usa, a man always on top of his emails ... we'll see what Alan says too.
I imagine that by "responding" to make sure their brands were fairly "represented", these manufacturers were actually "participating" in this "special issue" of Stereophile Magazine by making a monetary contribution of adverti$ing revenue
post #34 of 37
Any attempt to change this man's opinion is completely pointless....
post #35 of 37
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Originally Posted by jimndre View Post
I've never liked Stereophile. It's always been driven by it's advertisers; commercially biased to say the least. Thanks for trying to change the perception of headphones being an inferior vehicle for music.
Yeah I'm not too worried about stereophile missing a few models/companies. I'm more worried about their silly, unobjective reviews
post #36 of 37
Are you sure they don't mean every component whose manufacturer is an advertiser on their magazine?
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Originally Posted by jellojoe View Post
Are you sure they don't mean every component whose manufacturer is an advertiser on their magazine?
Ya, that's it! So simple, yet a perfect description what is happens in Stereophile land.
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