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post #16 of 22
The movie has left me with many questions. Why was the response from the Planet these weird memory creatures? Are they the true problematic thoughts in the back of the persons mind. Was it just a dramatic twist to have his dead wife show up. Or was this place another place? Why was a great question. It was a kind of mental defense from unwanted strangers? Would everyone get the same treatment till they went crazy? Just a well written plot which may have it's roots in the study of modern psychological institutions.
post #17 of 22
I've only seen 2001 and read the book - seen the remake of Solaris and thought it was ok, got the original on its way.
Love 2001 though, book is quite different (and neither are more correct) so I'd recommend that for a new insight.
post #18 of 22
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i don't really see the relation between the two other than both being space/sci-fi movies. they are both classics, but i prefer 2001 and probably by a wide margin. both kubrick and tarkovsky are two of my favorite directors, so i could watch either one.
Seconded.

and i always thought stalker was tarkovsky's most popular film?
post #19 of 22
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I have been known for an over active imagination and when you put that together with film which already have imagination somtimes these things happen. I agree that they wanted to show his memory. That is the most easy and upfront thing to believe. But if he wanted us to note that it was a synthetic world made by the planet then he would have placed strange things that do not look right, like the dress she was wearing. Just little things to show you it is all not real. Do you think those little clues are in the begining of Solaris? I have looked and thought I saw things. I don't know, just guessing?
I don't recall if there was that kind of foreshadowing in the tarkovsky film. I don't own a copy - next time i see it I'll look.

I can tell you there was nothing like that in the book. In the book, Kelvin reluctantly accepts a job, and spends a lot of time in libraries reading background material to you.

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The movie has left me with many questions. Why was the response from the Planet these wierd memory creatures? Are they the true problematic thoughts in the back of the persons mind. Was it just a dramatic twist to have his dead wife show up. Or was this place another place? Why was a great question. It was a kind of mental defense from unwanted strangers? Would everyone get the same treatment till they went crazy? Just a well written plot which may have it's roots in the study of modern psychological institutions.
That's possible. Lem was training to be a doctor before he became an author, and his first novel was a semi-autobiographical work titled "The Hospital of the Transfiguration" -- I haven't read it yet, though.

Another theory is that maybe these visitors are manifestations of people that the people on the research station want to see. Kelvin misses his dead wife, etc.
post #20 of 22
I met Andrei Tarkovsky in 1981 at London Filim School during his UK visit. I was a student there.
First there was a screening of Stalker,followed by a talk and Q&A-all in the relatively small smokey cinema. It was completely full. A lot of us were standing (or sitting on the floor).
I wonder if the two masters-Tarkovsky and Kubrick ever met during that time in England?
post #21 of 22
Nostalghia is a great film. i like Domenico's speech at the end.

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What ancestor speaks in me? I can't live simultaneously in my head and in my body. That's why I can't be just one person. I can feel within myself countless things at once.

There are no great masters left. That's the real evil of our time. The heart's path is covered in shadow. We must listen to the voices that seem useless in brains full of long sewage pipes of school wall, tarmac and welfare papers. The buzzing of insects must enter. We must fill the eyes and ears of all of us with things that are the beginning of a great dream. Someone must shout that we'll build the pyramids. It doesn't matter if we don't. We must fuel that wish and stretch the corners of the soul like an endless sheet.

If you want the world to go forward, we must hold hands. We must mix the so-called healthy with the so-called sick. You healthy ones! What does your health mean? The eyes of all mankind are looking at the pit into which we are plunging. Freedom is useless if you don't have the courage to look us in the eye, to eat, drink and sleep with us! It's the so-called healthy who have brought the world to the verge of ruin. Man, listen! In you water, fire and then ashes, and the bones in the ashes. The bones and the ashes!

Where am I when I'm not in reality or in my imagination? Here's my new pact: it must be sunny at night and snowy in August. Great things end. Small things endure. Society must become united again instead of so disjointed. Just look at nature and you'll see that life is simple. We must go back to where we were, to the point where we took the wrong turn. We must go back to the main foundations of life without dirtying the water. What kind of world is this if a madman tells you you must be ashamed of yourselves!

O Mother! The air is that light thing that moves around your head and becomes clearer when you laugh.
post #22 of 22
The following interpretation of 2001 is interesting.

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