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Originally Posted by Wmcmanus  I really don't mean any offense by this (in a personal way), despite how it might sound, but seriously: what do you (or any of us) know about UE's business that would allow you (or any of us) to substitute your judgment for theirs in terms of how to set prices? Don't you think they would have done some market research on the matter? Don't you think they have a pretty good feel for the profile (and thus price sensitivity) of the average customer who might seriously consider purchasing a pair of UE18 Pro? Is $1,350 a completely out of the ballpark figure, given that they've had success with the UE10 Pro and UE 11 Pro at not too distant price points, and that the UE18 Pro appears to represent a sizable leap forward in design? Quite frankly, $1,350 seems just about right to me in this market space, and $1,500 wouldn't have surprised me one bit.
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No offensive taken - I'm stating my opinion and you yours. I don't need to know anything to have an opinion - how boring would head-fi be with out the unsolicited opinions, wild rumors and unsubstantiated claims
However note that while folks at Logitech/UE undoubtedly conducted market research, that does not mean they came to the right pricing. I suppose we'll see over the next few months/year how these fair against the competition. The JH16 may in fact land at $1,500 itself.
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Originally Posted by Wmcmanus Perhaps they've lost some momentum, or at least that may be our perception of the matter, but I certainly haven't had the opportunity to analyze the trend of their sales figures relative to those of their competitors. They might be doing just fine. It may well be that we're more "in the know" (as audiophiles who follow this kind of thing as hobbyists) concerning what other products are available in this market segment than are most of UE's bread and butter customers. They may get a lot of sales based on their reputation, recommendations from one musician to another, brand loyalty of long standing customers, etc. As I mentioned, I don't have any of that data at my disposal.
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Anything is possible, and you make a good point about the Head-Fi crowd perhaps being more "in the know" than perhaps other segments of their customer base.
I assume you re-read my statement about Jerry Harvey vs other IEM designers and we are in agreement since you edited that bit out.
I certainly have no problem with Logitech - I own many of their products! That said I do have concerns about the future of UE under Logitech - they focus primarily on the low-to-mid end with the exception of a few of their Harmony remotes. But even the Harmony remotes seem to fit in well with the rest of their product line. High end IEMs - custom or universal - just strike me as a different ball game.
i almost wish they had gone for a more jh-13 like phone, but done it better, that would have gotten jerry workin to better it again, and vice versa. Competition drives innovation.
