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post #46 of 74
shaizada, there definitely seems to be a sound profile that is unique between the BA and dynamic IEMs. I tend to think it is as you mentioned, a phase coherency that the dynamics provide that is incredible (when the drivers are well-engineered as in the Monster and Senn products). The ability to hear deeply into recordings across the spectrum seems to be a differentiator with the better single-driver BAs (e.g., Etymotic) and the newer dynamic IEMs.

Details, sonic signatures, etc. are still up to the designer/engineer, but dynamics seem to offer something that multiway, crossover-based BAs can't quite capture (noting that I can't afford to try all IEMs, as much as I would like to do so).
post #47 of 74
Dobber,
Right now I've got my eye on the Klipsch Image S4. . .how do think the Turbines and the Turbine Pros would measure up against the overral sound of these, or have you ever compared them against the Klipsch?
post #48 of 74
Well-written review dude, thanks! I'm actually eager to hear how this stacks up against my IE8. Unfortunately Monster products are ridiculously overpriced in my country, the Turbine goes for about $215, WTH.
post #49 of 74
Louis8ball, my wife has the S4s. I find the S4s more strident when new compared to the Turbines, but a decent IEM and one that is supposed to improve over time. It was probably the tips, she has smaller ears so I couldn't use the larger gel tips.

The original Turbines just wowed the hell out of me when I first put them on a year ago, and they continue to be a great IEM. I enjoy the Pros and IE8s more now, but was listening to the original Turbines on a train today and was still impressed. The Turbine's cable is a bit of a pain (the Pros improve on it in a major way), but I like the sound signature better than the S4.

Then again, the S4 is $20-$70 cheaper, but would still recommend the Turbine over it.
post #50 of 74
I appreciate your info regarding this. I own a pair of the Pros, and although they do indeed have a very warm presentation over the entire audio spectrum, however, I still think that the bass could be a bit more punchy. Here (with the Pros) it is there, but a bit laid back. It mixes in great with the other frequencies, but sometimes leaves a bit to be desired, IMHO. So, I am most likely going to try either the original Monsters or the Klipsch Image S4's next. . .

Thanks!
post #51 of 74
It's possible the IE8 may be something you would like, the bass is a bit warmer/fuller, but with an equally good midrange and treble. The original Turbines have a noticeable, but not unpleasant, mid-bass hump that is tamed (to my liking) in the Pros, while still retaining most of the clarity of the Pros.
post #52 of 74
Well, I appreciate that advice. But to be honest, my price range unfortunately does not go up that high (for me to consider the IE8's --- I just read that one can fork out anywhere between 300 to 400 dollars, retail for those cans. Were my budget a little more allowing, I'm sure I would consider them, though.

Right now, I am reading up on some reviews of both the S4's and the Turbines (by users here at this website). My budget is basically no more than about a hundred bucks right now. I'd be willing to fork out that much for a really great pair of IE's
post #53 of 74
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Originally Posted by Dobber65 View Post
Then again, the S4 is $20-$70 cheaper, but would still recommend the Turbine over it.
Me too. The sound spectrum just seems more coherent, more detailed, and less spikey with the original Turbines vs. the S4s (to me).

And, Louis8ball, the original Turbines should give you that extra slam you're missing with the Pros.

I just want to add that, for my listening tastes, the Gold Pros are shaping up to be my favorite IEMs of all time (and I have more than a few IEMs to compare them against).
post #54 of 74
I appreciate that, Ephitless. I have owned and listened to a few other IE's in the very recent past, including Bose IE's, Sennheiser CX500's and Creative EP630's. The Bose provide absolutely NO seal whatsoever, so I will never own another pair of them (sold them on eBay about a year ago). The CX500's and EP630's both offer phenomenal sound (the bass that the CX500's offer has remained pretty much unsurpassed until now, IMHO, but I gave the CX500's to my wife recently --- LOL, and besides she does NOT understand my obsession or appreciation for great audio equipment

I was lucky, found the Turbine Pros from someone who had only used them once, and sold them to me for about $150. I burned them in for about a hundred hours, and found that they do indeed have a very balanced sound, but somewhat of a recessed bass, unfortunately.

Anyway, thanks again for the advice!
post #55 of 74
EPIT: is the Westone 3 up for sale because of the Turbine?

Louis8Ball - if you get a recessed bass, it is probably from a poor seal. I have heard some iems which test down to 10Hz with 20dbl over, but they had no impact. The Turbine pro goes very low with a lot of great bass behind it.
post #56 of 74
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Louis8Ball - if you get a recessed bass, it is probably from a poor seal. I have heard some iems which test down to 10Hz with 20dbl over, but they had no impact. The Turbine pro goes very low with a lot of great bass behind it.
I will second this as well. My Turbine Pro's bass is better controlled than the original Turbine's, but not lacking in body or impact.

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EPIT: is the Westone 3 up for sale because of the Turbine?
Not exactly. I never really got on with the W3s, as I couldn't find a practical way to eliminate the sibilance issue (despite near-Herculean efforts) with my ears, so they've mostly gone unused since I bought them. I'd been thinking they should go to a better home for quite some time, and then the introduction of the Turbine Pros gave me the push I needed. I had originally hoped to trade one for the other...but then I got impatient and simply bought the Pros. So while they're not directly responsible for me wanting to offload the W3s, they've certainly reinforced the decision.
post #57 of 74
Sounds like Monster finally did something just about right, except it's still a bling product, mostly.
In the mean time, I'll go get some Triple.Fi 10 if my ears could ever bear IEMs.
post #58 of 74
@shigzeo and epi:

Yes, you probably have a good point regarding how having a good seal provides a better bass sound. I agree with that wholeheartedly. However, unfortunately, I seem to have missplaced that little plastic baggy that I had all of my other tips in

I find Dobber65's review of the Pros very helpful as well. He compares them with the original Turbines. In so doing he stated in his comparison of the 2 was that the Pros do have a warmer sound, and that the bass though present in a big way, was a bit more laid back in the Pros in comparison with their predecesors. I believe that the gist of what he was claiming was that the original Turbines' bass is a bit more pronounced than that of the Pros.

I don't know, but anyway I think I am kind of leaning toward the original Turbines as my next pair of IE's. . .either them or Klipsch Image S4's, Denon551's, or something along those lines. . .can anyone either offer an opinion along these lines, or perhaps instead recommend what they might believe to be something even better, on about a 100 dollar budget?

Thanks!
post #59 of 74
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Originally Posted by Louis8ball View Post
However, unfortunately, I seem to have missplaced that little plastic baggy that I had all of my other tips in
Ouch. That's a shame, because tip synergy makes all the difference.

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I believe his username is Dobber65 [...] I believe that the gist of what he was claiming was that the original Turbines' bass is a bit more pronounced than that of the Pros.
I've read Dobber65's (very good) review, and I agree with this statement. I'd add that, depending on the source used (a Sansa Fuze or Clip, for example), the original Turbines' bass can be a bit overpronounced, whereas the Turbine Pros -- to my ears -- get it just right...but, again, source plays a big part there. The original Turbines do sound fantastic, and the bass just shy of overdone, on my Sansa e280. What source(s) are you using, Louis8ball?
post #60 of 74
Well ...I don't get as good a seal with the pro's as I do with my other top tier iem's.......and I find your comment on recessed bass jaw dropping, the quality of the bass in every regard is what keeps me from selling them, in my opinion the bass is
quick, deep, detailed, I actually (FOR MY EARS) have never heard better bass all things considered from any iem, the few others that come close lose badly because of the resonance sometimes heard from the plastic enclosures of every other dynamic driver based iem that goes deep....the atrio for instance, offers no competition for the overall quality of bass (in my opinion) ans the pro's go as deep as any I've heard bar none. You are probab;y missing the midbass of past iem's which is not bloated on the pro's the 551's bass is nowhere near as defined nor the s4, you may hear it differently.
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