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From wikipedia:

"During her Fame Ball Tour performance at Palm Springs, California, on April 11, 2009, Gaga explained to the crowd the true meaning behind the term "Poker Face" used in the song. She suggested that the song dealt with her personal experience with bisexuality. The idea behind the song was to be with a man but fantasizing about a woman, hence the man in the song needs to read her "Poker Face" to understand what is going through her mind."

Oh, great who knows where this thread will go from here. The trend of club music stars has seemed to voice interests of the gay community. This must go all the way back to the late 70s disco years where the gay community found a freedom in night clubs. I have always liked the openness of clubs and like some various dance music songs as a heterosexual.

I really like GaGa. Her music is DEFINITELY unique. I was getting a tad tired of the low-cut jeans and tanktops female pop that seemed to be dominating the radio, and she does something completely and utterly unique (read: insane) by doing just what she wants and nothing else. She's crazy, yeah, sure. But I think she makes great music, and she actually can sing live compared to so many talentless pop stars today. LG is one of the only radio-friendly pop stars that has endeared to my heart.

Lady GaGa is the new Madonna surely... She do things similarly as in different from what people would expect. Which is much more fun then britney spears products in the long run.

Listen to their album this is pure pop... simple melodies that eats in your brain at no time. Maybe I will listen to them just like I still listen to old madonna at times... Man those cds are beatifully mastered I have to say so there is a valid excuse to listen to them

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Did you forget about vocals? Only a few people are born with good pipes. Something i'd call a given talent.
lol at your talent skill rambling. So "frankly" i don't see how you think her music is trash. If you listen to her lyrics she's very clever in expressing them in a way it makes the audience think. Trash would be rap music talking about women as objects, rock bands screaming about violence and death, and musicians who "play it safe" and sticks with the mainstream. Gaga is none of those. Now I'm not saying she's the best at what she does since there was a little black boy by the name of Michael Jackson, but she isn't trash i can at least say that.

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Yea I know, but she's leading you on (or trying to retro-fit, deflecting the criticism that some claim she suggests it it OK to beat up on women during sex) ... the references to rough sex are explicit. Poker Face = Poke Her Face in at least some of the references. Study the lyrics, really. There's a lot going on here.

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Um, good vocals are acquired through hundreds of hours of practise like any other instrument. She barely qualifies as an intermediate singer.

Rap is not bad music necessarily, but a lot of the mainstream is because they are marketing an image (and afterall marketing is all the mainstream music industry is).

I can honestly not think of a single person who has thought deeply about the Lady Gagas lyrics, but I can name plenty who enjoy either the texture or jirating their body to cheesy dance beats.

You haven't offered a single reason how she is original to be honest.

For the record, "lol at" and "correct a typo" is not a valid argument, especially when the typo is something as basic as thing->think


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Catchy beats and sexual innuendo are two ways to practically guarantee a hit.

An example being "Shut up and Drive" by Rhianna. Terrible song, but oh wait, it's about a man taking charge (clearly in the bedroom). INSTANT HIT


Her visual style is confronting (dare I say a complete rip of madonna) and it causes people to talk about her. It's working, shes getting a lot of free publicity like this here.

so i hear of some rumours on the internet that she's a man...

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For the record, its "SKILLZZ", not "skills". she' got "them". Stop being a "hater". Come out of the Lady GaGa closet like the rest of em. Just dance, It'll be "OK".

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So are you saying that William Hung can sound a lot better through hundreds and hundreds of hours of practice? If so i'd like to give it a try. If she's apparently borderline intermediate, then who would you describe as "extraordinary" in this genre?

I'm not saying rap music is bad, i'm giving you an example of what i would interpret as "trash." And like i said, Gaga didn't resemble any of those, Quite frankly she's giving out a good message to kids to quit being a bunch of tools and actually be yourself and stand up for your own beliefs. You can at least respect that. Since you did state marketing was basically mainstream, well look at the mainstream here in the U.S, i'm pretty sure there are only a few artists who resemble GaGa, my point? She may be famous like the mainstream but her music is not similar to mainstream, yet she is successful, i think that's saying something there. I'm also sure she is big worldwide, including Britain, therefore omitting your reasoning about bad "britpop" that may be your opinion but i doubt britain thinks that.

Here's my point, i just think you're judging her too harshly.
She is in fact original, just because she wasn't the first doesn't say anything. Look at her image as a whole. She definitely is not your average show the body kinky hot artist. I don't think i ever saw a woman using her hair as a hat, or going to an awards show and wearing a bush on her face. All i'm feeling is that you're being biased, and unreasonable with your judgements.

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gaga doesn't play it safe and stick with the mainstream? of course she does..her music is exactly the same as the rest of the pop trash being churned out in the charts* these days

* I must interject and say UK charts, not sure of the state of other countries charts but in the UK its abysmal..Alexandra Burke ftl

I'm not saying I particularly have a problem with this because this has always been the way..you have mainstream chart music which can be good but you do get the trash and you get the underground or not so widely know, not always good but not just commercially appealing. Lady GaGa's music is not original..full stop..its commercial. Her image has been done and there have been much more contraversial figures in music. Does that make her bad? no, it gives her wide appeal to the mass market and hey whats so bad about that? if my 13 year old sister, 26 year old sister, and 52 year old dad like her (and yes they do) then more credit to her..she is making good music in her particular genre..which is POP!! with a quirky image and making a damn fine job of it. She's nothing special, there are better singers, more talented acomplished artistis, but at the moment she has the 'it' factor..she appeals to the mass..no one can argue with that

and her lyrics.......far more deep, metaphorical lyrics in rap music my friend (and we're talking proper rap..not your 50 Cent 'have a baby by me baby be a millionaire' type )...I had to really restrain myself from going into a tirade about people bashing rap for its treating women like objects image

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Britpop (which is essentially what gaga is ripping the hell out of) is a pretty low-skill genre. If you're wondering who I like in the "accessible" pile, I like A Fine Frenzy, Imgoen Heap, La Roux etc but I still wouldn't call any of these particularly "skilled", just interesting to listen to, good writers (for the most part) and fairly diverse.

If I was to pick the most skilled vocalists I would probably choose someone like bobby mcferrin for sheer mastery of his vocals..

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Well actually, he probably would sound better although not a lot better. What makes a great singer is not how good a voice you have. It's how you use your voice. An example I like to point out is Madonna. She may not have as good a voice as say Christina Aguilera, but I think she is a better singer because she knows how to use her voice.

Back on topic, I think Lady Gaga has a good voice for the type of material she sings. My biggest gripe with her is the whole kooky outfit thing. It's going to get tired pretty fast, especially when she can't meet people's expectations of having a more outrageous outfit than the previous one. The focus seems to be more on what she's wearing than what she's singing.

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Musicianship is part of developing skills as a musician.

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I do agree with the voice theory, but wouldn't you agree there's a hopeless range? Even if Hung did perfect his technique i really doubt it would appeal that much to the public.


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Once again, i was not saying ALL rap music was trash, i was giving a mere example of what i would consider trash in those types on genres. I love rap/hip hop, and yes not that 50 cent crap. If you want rap lyrics we all have heard of Tupac. People were not getting my point, she may not be the best at what she does, but i do give her credit that she's more original than some of the other well known pop artists out there. And she deserves that credit, and the fact that she is far from the label "trash." Did she "revolutionize" the pop culture or will she? i really doubt it.
Anyways this is getting out of hand, and indeed a waste of time. So i'll agree to disagree and to each his/her own.