What's so good about the RE0?
Jan 4, 2010 at 10:58 AM Post #31 of 56
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Originally Posted by kostalex /img/forum/go_quote.gif
I am sick of "RE0 lacks bass". The following is not a snobistic show off, but rather attempt to analyze this annoying issue.

RE0 is very refined and well balanced. It is quite common that such sound sig is not appreciated by noobs. Many of them ask for more bass, since it takes time to educate yourself to headphone/earphone type of bass, which is missing tactile feedback.

RE0 sound can be improved overall and bass weight can be increased in particular. It benefits from good seal, which requires some efforts to buy extra tips (stock are not good) and select the right one. Quality amping (not E5) is also appreciated. All these tricks are not popular with noobs.

So, why there are so many noobs unsatisfied with RE0? I beleive that this is a matter of new $79 pricing. It makes RE0 affordable to many junior head-fiers (not in terms of post counter) but does not make them to value their purchase. There was no huge criticism of RE0 bass before when it was priced at $200 (or simillar, can not recall exactly).

Those who consider RE0 lacks bass, should try ER-6i or even ER-6. They are also very affordable, so why not?




Very interesting explanation. Noobs means bassehead?
 
Jan 4, 2010 at 11:40 AM Post #32 of 56
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Originally Posted by Photofan1986 /img/forum/go_quote.gif
Some people seem to confuse "rolled of" and "recessed". IE8 highs are certainly not rolled off. They extend higher than many other phones in the same league. However, I agree they are recesed somewhat.


Yes i agree on the recessed part.. But i wouldnt expect this Kind of confusion with a Head-fier with over 300 Posts...
 
Jan 4, 2010 at 4:07 PM Post #33 of 56
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Originally Posted by MrGreen /img/forum/go_quote.gif
Value for money is their biggest highlight for me.
TBH I do not think they come close to the ER4P or S (as per a review that stated the otherway) but I can see why someone would prefer the RE0.



Interesting. Well, I also thought that Etys are superior to RE0, until I changed the stock tips to larger and softer tips from my Ortofon e-Q7 and also spent some time with RE0 amped by my MiniBox E+. When amped with a good amp and when the seal is nice and tight, RE0 sound really improves a lot and now I do think that it can match ER4 in most areas, but does have a very different presentation. ER4p sounds better unamped IMO, although RE0 sounds more tonally balanced. I do prefer the tighter bass of the Etys. When amped though, RE0 has very tight bass too.
 
Jan 4, 2010 at 4:51 PM Post #34 of 56
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Originally Posted by headfever /img/forum/go_quote.gif
Very interesting explanation. Noobs means bassehead?


No. Correct statement is "there are more bassheads among noobs".
 
Jan 4, 2010 at 5:09 PM Post #35 of 56
As a HeadFi noob myself, I bought the RE0's because they came highly praised and, for the money, seemed like an amazing deal. I will be getting them in the mail and minute now. I plan on burning them in well and making sure I enter into listening to them with an open mind and open ears.

EDIT: Just got my RE0's. Plugged them into my iPod and WOW!!!...I am blown away by the clarity and detail I am hearing...simply an amazing listening experience. I was told that I would be hearing things I had never heard before and...its not that I didnt believe that I would hear such detail, but my socks are truly blown off.

RE0's come highly recommended by me.
 
Jan 5, 2010 at 2:22 AM Post #36 of 56
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Originally Posted by kostalex /img/forum/go_quote.gif
I am sick of "RE0 lacks bass". The following is not a snobistic show off, but rather attempt to analyze this annoying issue.

RE0 is very refined and well balanced. It is quite common that such sound sig is not appreciated by noobs. Many of them ask for more bass, since it takes time to educate yourself to headphone/earphone type of bass, which is missing tactile feedback.

RE0 sound can be improved overall and bass weight can be increased in particular. It benefits from good seal, which requires some efforts to buy extra tips (stock are not good) and select the right one. Quality amping (not E5) is also appreciated. All these tricks are not popular with noobs.

So, why there are so many noobs unsatisfied with RE0? I beleive that this is a matter of new $79 pricing. It makes RE0 affordable to many junior head-fiers (not in terms of post counter) but does not make them to value their purchase. There was no huge criticism of RE0 bass before when it was priced at $200 (or simillar, can not recall exactly).

Those who consider RE0 lacks bass, should try ER-6i or even ER-6. They are also very affordable, so why not?



Yeah, as I've said in other threads, I don't want to pose as an audiophile and listen to my music on my bass lacking IEM specifically so that I could distinguish that weak bass amongst all the other exaggerated frequencies and say to myself and others on this forum "oh yeah, theeeehehere it is, now that's fast, accurate (etc) bass".

I listen to my music at a low level (often the first volume bar on my Fuze), and would find deep bass in some songs almost completely indistinguishable (Bran Van 3000 - House lights for instance). Now I'm guessing that the music creators put the bass into the song so that we could hear it, so why would I go out and buy a pair of IEMs where I can only distinguish this bass while actively listening for it?

Perhaps my ears are just not as refined as all the audiophiles' around here are. But I trust what I hear, and really don't really feel the need to train my ears to distinguish certain notes and frequencies in music. After all, I am using a high end pair of earphones because I want to listen to my music at the best possible quality, and not to engage in hours of critical listening sessions. If that makes me a basshead noob with money to spend on low end high priced non-audiophile pairs of earphones (IE8, TF10) which I prefer over the audiophile grade RE0, so be it. I'm perfectly happy with them and don't mind being judged and labeled as a noob.

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Originally Posted by ucrags84 /img/forum/go_quote.gif
Could these noobs just EQ the RE0 for more bass, or does it not respond well to that?


In my noob experience, the bass sounded awesome with a little equalizing, but I still didn't like the sound signature, which sounded as unnatural as when unequalized.
 
Jan 5, 2010 at 5:05 AM Post #37 of 56
Neither noob or basshead are not curses for me.

Noob - novice head-fier, who yet to
  1. train his perception to meet community informal agreements on how to interpret and appreciate the sound (head-fi tonal by Castaneda terms)
  2. learn some specific peculiarities and deficiencies of headphone listening
  3. familiarize himself with various headphone models for better understanding of technology standards, capabilities and constraints
I doubt whether head-fier, who get some knowledges listed above and experienced with 10+ of well known IEMs, would call RE0 to be "bass-lacking".

Basshead - the person, who does not tolerate well a natural inferiority of headphone bass caused by the absence of tactile part of perception. He is looking for headphones with deeper and more weighty bass than most of the headphones may offer. There are good reasons (see above) to meet more bassheads among the noobs.
 
Jan 5, 2010 at 5:24 AM Post #38 of 56
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Originally Posted by kostalex /img/forum/go_quote.gif
Neither noob or basshead are not curses for me.

Noob - novice head-fier, who yet to
  1. train his perception to meet community informal agreements on how to interpret and appreciate the sound (head-fi tonal by Castaneda terms)
  2. learn some specific peculiarities and deficiencies of headphone listening
  3. familiarize himself with various headphone models for better understanding of technology standards, capabilities and constraints
I doubt whether head-fier, who get some knowledges listed above and experienced with 10+ of well known IEMs, would call RE0 to be "bass-lacking".

Basshead - the person, who does not tolerate well a natural inferiority of headphone bass caused by the absence of tactile part of perception. He is looking for headphones with deeper and more weighty bass than most of the headphones may offer. There are good reasons (see above) to meet more bassheads among the noobs.



Well if RE0 is not bass lacking, even just slightly, then what is?
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Would love to see a frequency response graph of the RE0. Anyone know where to find one?
 
Jan 5, 2010 at 5:43 AM Post #39 of 56
From the 1970s on audiophiles have been told their systems had no bass. This is really nothing new to to hear from people. That is the sound signature of the RE0. What at first appears to be thin bass is really a very well blended sound. You should amp them. Most people would be very amazed at how much power those little guys can handle. They are hard to drive to their full sound. They are a little on the bass light side but make up for that in other ways. Like people have written here they also need some type of getting used to time to get into the RE0 sound. It is not for all. I like them because they are at a good price point and really do sound great to me. Sometimes if I want more bass I just switch IEMs, but I find myself running back for more of the clear RE0 sound. With all the written hype it my be a let down that they are not sounding like 10K speakers, people here love them for what they are and what they are not.
 
Jan 5, 2010 at 5:51 AM Post #40 of 56
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Originally Posted by GN85 /img/forum/go_quote.gif
Well if RE0 is not bass lacking, even just slightly, then what is?
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Would love to see a frequency response graph of the RE0. Anyone know where to find one?



try owning an ER6i ;p ER6 would probably be even less since the 6i is supposed to have more bass
 
Jan 5, 2010 at 6:17 AM Post #41 of 56
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Originally Posted by GN85 /img/forum/go_quote.gif
Well if RE0 is not bass lacking, even just slightly, then what is?
confused.gif


Would love to see a frequency response graph of the RE0. Anyone know where to find one?



The scl3 has much less bass and it's not as well defined.

+1 on the frequency graph. If anyone has one I'm curious to see it.
 
Jan 5, 2010 at 6:21 AM Post #42 of 56
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Originally Posted by durden /img/forum/go_quote.gif
As a HeadFi noob myself, I bought the RE0's because they came highly praised and, for the money, seemed like an amazing deal. I will be getting them in the mail and minute now. I plan on burning them in well and making sure I enter into listening to them with an open mind and open ears.

EDIT: Just got my RE0's. Plugged them into my iPod and WOW!!!...I am blown away by the clarity and detail I am hearing...simply an amazing listening experience. I was told that I would be hearing things I had never heard before and...its not that I didnt believe that I would hear such detail, but my socks are truly blown off.

RE0's come highly recommended by me.



I got mine a few days ago and I can say the same thing. Maybe they're not enough for someone coming off a "fun" bass heavy earphone, but there's nothing boring about them to me. Wait until they've got a few hours on them; I heard some sibilance at first but it's gone now, and they've only gotten better
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Jan 5, 2010 at 9:14 AM Post #43 of 56
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Originally Posted by durden /img/forum/go_quote.gif
As a HeadFi noob myself, I bought the RE0's because they came highly praised and, for the money, seemed like an amazing deal. I will be getting them in the mail and minute now. I plan on burning them in well and making sure I enter into listening to them with an open mind and open ears.

EDIT: Just got my RE0's. Plugged them into my iPod and WOW!!!...I am blown away by the clarity and detail I am hearing...simply an amazing listening experience. I was told that I would be hearing things I had never heard before and...its not that I didnt believe that I would hear such detail, but my socks are truly blown off.

RE0's come highly recommended by me.



Since your socks are truly blown off, I am thinking how about your underpants? Because I worry about the underpants is more near to the phone. right?
 
Jan 5, 2010 at 5:06 PM Post #44 of 56
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Originally Posted by Redcarmoose /img/forum/go_quote.gif
You should amp them. Most people would be very amazed at how much power those little guys can handle. They are hard to drive to their full sound.


Tell me about it. I really like the sound I get from my set up: Nano 4g > cmoyBB > RE0 (nozzle foam removed). There are times where I think I'm underpowering them, which is why I've started looking seriously at better portable amps.

Darn you, head-fi!

On the other hand, I also just got the Triple-Fi 10s and like those, too. They are a great compliment to the RE0 with their heavier bass. Yet I feel as I play around with EQ and tips and adding impedance, etc, that I'm just trying to get them to sound more like my RE0.
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Jan 5, 2010 at 6:33 PM Post #45 of 56
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Originally Posted by GN85 /img/forum/go_quote.gif
Well if RE0 is not bass lacking, even just slightly, then what is?
confused.gif


Would love to see a frequency response graph of the RE0. Anyone know where to find one?



ne-8s are lacking. Completely rolled off.

RE0 isn't strong on the bass, but it's certainly there. I find that when the music I'm listening to is either poorly edited or mixed, or with a low bitrate, things sound flat and the bass can be lacking.

When I'm listening to any decently put together album with high quality files, the bass is there and doesn't disappoint me. This is unamped too. Eventually I'll get an amp for it and I'm sure it'll get even better.
 

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