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post #61 of 69
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Originally Posted by IPodPJ View Post
I'm not talking about personal preference, with regards to tone and coloration. I'm talking about the high level of detail that a DAC can provide and that can't be disputed -- either it's there or it's not, and you can compare that to other units.
detail can't be disputed?

what IS detail, anyway? is it ability to repro a squarewave faithfully up to X khz? flatness and bandwidth to a frequency?

what else would there be to measure to define 'detail'?

I know audiophiles love to talk about 'detail' but I'd like to have a working definition of what you think it is before we discuss why or why not 'cold hardening' does anything to affect it.

and again, why would the last mile matter so much? lets discuss this fallacy of last-mile a bit, shall we? if all the other circuitry (resistor leads, etc etc) are not cryo'd why do you think the last link would magically make any difference? or rather, why do you think that regular wire is not doing the job it was designed to do?
post #62 of 69
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Originally Posted by bikeboy999 View Post
If cryo'd parts were BS would some companies that have high pedigree for audio deal only with cryo's parts? Ed Meitner appears to have quite the background for audio, and his own cables are cryo'd. Are people calling him/his company a scam artist?

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That's the same reason Big Pharma owns a bunch of shell conpanies to sell homeopathic, naturopathic, etc. BS to consumers. The major drug companies know that stuff works as well as placebo sugar pills, however, they also know that people pay money for that stuff and they want a cut of the action.

I don't take Emm Labs that seriously, either. There's a huge disconnect between the price and what their gear costs to manufacture. A big chunk of what their customers pay likely goes straight into a pocket.

Putting a monstrous pricetag on something does not give it credibility. All that does is create a big pricetag.

You might also notice that a lot of super-pricey stuff is a little sketchy. If people are willing to fork over kilobucks for a product, somepne will be charging kilobucks whether the product is worth it or not. People are conditioned to associate high prices with quality that they assume that anything with a big asking price is "better" than something with a low asking price.

There have been some very interesting studies done with wine on this point. Telling someone that a test wine has a big pricetag gets it high marks even if it's swill. The same wine will get different ratings depending on how expensive the tester thinks it is. Don't you think the same thing happens in audio?

The only way to get around preconceived notions is with scientific testing and blind listening tests. The problem is that those do not produce results that believers want to see, so they insist those tests are inadequate or invalid. However, when there's mounting evidence against your belief system, it's time to start questioning your beliefs. That is tough. And it could be embarassing to admit that a very expensive cable doesn't do anything special.
post #63 of 69

First.  the science has merit.  for hundreds of years metals have been "tempered"

using diferences in heat to change the molecular structure.

Second.  to hear if any diference is audible you must test for yourself.

My personal experiance IS:   if I use a simple Chip amp, like most avalable are.

No discernable Differance...

However... If I use  a very high end amp that is designed for revealing detail..

YES.. Quite a noticable diferance  in clarity.   The cable can be the weak link

With High End Equipment....

Third..   Yes absolutely.. the cable manufactorers are rapeing  the consumer.

The cost is rediculous.   Liquid nitrogen is available at welding supply shops

Once the metal gets to minus 300 degrees  the process is done.  the rest is hype.

Do it yourself.  and test for yourself.  dont bother if you use cheap amp  er

change that to chip amp.  most of those are overpriced / hyped up as well.

post #64 of 69
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Originally Posted by Remitrom View Post

First.  the science has merit.  for hundreds of years metals have been "tempered"

using diferences in heat to change the molecular structure.


Yes, for materials that contain ausenite, such as various steels. Not for metals such as copper and silver.

 

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post #65 of 69

Yes, copper and silver are more controversial.  It's without question that ferrous metals benefit from cryo, you can make razor blades last much longer, instruments sound better, and so on.  I've heard of trumpets being cryo'd.  And they're made of brass which is a copper alloy, so perhaps there's something there.

post #66 of 69
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Yes, copper and silver are more controversial.

 

Yes. The typical means by which the mechanical and electrical properties of copper and silver are altered is by way of heat annealing.

 

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 It's without question that ferrous metals benefit from cryo, you can make razor blades last much longer...

 

Yes.

 

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...instruments sound better, and so on.  I've heard of trumpets being cryo'd.  And they're made of brass which is a copper alloy, so perhaps there's something there.

 

Or not. biggrin.gif

 

The only property of copper or silver that's of any relevance to audio is its electrical conductivity. If cryo has any meaningful effect on that, it would be pretty trivially easy to demonstrate.

 

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post #67 of 69

This reminds me...I need to contact my local guy and borrow some Jena stuff.

 

I told him I don't believe it would help, but he's itching to make me a beliver.

 

Going to try a digital cable and a set of their interconnects. They at least look gorgeous, I'll give him that. :D

post #68 of 69

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This reminds me...I need to contact my local guy and borrow some Jena stuff.


Definitely go with The Awakenings.  Word is they're about as wide as a necktie.  If they don't do anything for your sound, you can put them between two posts and use them as a hammock.

post #69 of 69
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Definitely go with The Awakenings.  Word is they're about as wide as a necktie.  If they don't do anything for your sound, you can put them between two posts and use them as a hammock.


Screw that noise. Entry level si where I'll stay if at all. I could never bring myself to spend more than entry level Jena or stuff like Nordost Blue Heaven as far as cables go.
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