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post #16 of 69
1/3/10 at 6:03am
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Originally Posted by terriblepaulz View Post
Or you could start by considering whether the claim made about equipment (e.g. that cryo'ing cables improves their ability to transmit audio signals) has a shred of plausibility. Once you have done that, you can confidently ignore those who claim to hear a difference. If the underlying science is utter nonsense, then claims based on that science must also be nonsense. I will give the benefit of the doubt to makers of such claims (provided they are not trying to sell me something) as enjoying the sweet sweet fruits of self-delusion.
Bingo.
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Originally Posted by Currawong View Post
Cables can change the sound, just buy a pair that distorts it with tonal alterations, such as the much-hyped Nordost Heimdall, or ones using copper cheaply electroplated with silver. That being said, while cryo'ing metals is supposed to be beneficial in some industries, for the end consumer, it's just a marketing tool. I couldn't care less whether a cable was cryo frozen or not, only how it (as little as possible!) distorts the signal.
Bingo.

OP, that's all you need to know.

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post #17 of 69
1/3/10 at 10:57am
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^ Yeah. Just wondering how an ALO Cryo Dock can cost $200. Hype. I get it...
post #18 of 69
1/3/10 at 2:08pm
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Originally Posted by BIG POPPA View Post
There is a whole lot of people who agree that Cryo does make a difference. And there are people who do not believe Cryo makes a difference. The best way to settle this, is go listen and decide yourself. To me there is a difference and I would cryo all my cables if I found someone local and convenient. I like the sound signature of a cable cryo'd.
a 2k$ difference? c'mon...
post #19 of 69
1/3/10 at 2:35pm
are you guys going to 'cryo' all your transistor, chip, resistor, cap leads, too?

you are guilty of the fallacy of 'last mile' if you believe in cryo doing anything other than lowering your bank account.
post #20 of 69
1/3/10 at 4:35pm
Well, I just read the article. I can't speak for other lies in the article. But for sure:

" 1. The cable lie" wrong, cables don't lie
" 2. The vacum tube lie" This is a lie ONLY if one is die hard SS fan
" 6. The Burn-in lie" Burn-in is ture, and no joke
" 9. The CD treatment lie" Well some are lies some are not. SID CD enhancement realy worked in my case

I will take full responsbility for my words above.

About cryoing things, I belive it works in some case, but I am not risk my hard to find tubes and expensive electronic. Cables maybe OK.

I will cryo my debit card, I hope this will help my checking balanced.
post #21 of 69
1/3/10 at 7:38pm
I believe it's all hype. Here's my view on it.

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I have two HD600 cables, both use UPOCC copper and both are 6ft, but one is cryo'd and I don't hear any difference.I have done a lot of A/B testing with them and came to my own conclusion that cryogenic treating cables doesn't help at all. Sure it may make the molecules more uniform but it won't change how that signal is sent/received nor should it have an effect on the sound.
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post #22 of 69
1/3/10 at 7:49pm
Cables and speaker wire can absolutely change sound. However, it is almost never for the better, sort of like bi-wiring, it often makes the sound worse, where as bi amping does help. To those that believe the cryo makes it better, I have no problem with that.
post #23 of 69
1/3/10 at 8:33pm
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Originally Posted by linuxworks View Post
are you guys going to 'cryo' all your transistor, chip, resistor, cap leads, too?
I know of at least one person who cyoed an entire power amplifier.

Ironically, the thermistors didn't survive.

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post #24 of 69
1/3/10 at 8:45pm
I know nothing about the cryo process as a newbie to all this. But I think high end cables, especially the cryo ones are ridiculously over priced. And that seems to be the most important thing here. If it only costs a company 15 bucks to cryo treat a cable why do they turn around and skyrocket the price. I understand you need to make money and premium stuff will always demand the highest price. But wow some of these cable costing twice as much as the original high end headphones is just silly.
post #25 of 69
1/3/10 at 8:52pm
You can get a lot more than one cable cryo treated for $15. Cryogenic Treatment for Racing and Cryogenic Auto Part You could get an entire engine treated for less than some of the cables sold by "boutique audiophile" shops.
post #26 of 69
1/3/10 at 11:53pm
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Originally Posted by Seamaster View Post
Well, I just read the article. I can't speak for other lies in the article. But for sure:

Oh brother. /facepalm. Clearly, you didn't understand it, or you just didn't read it.

" 1. The cable lie" wrong, cables don't lie

If that's a joke, haha.

" 2. The vacum tube lie" This is a lie ONLY if one is die hard SS fan

Wrong. Vacuum tubes do, and have been scientifically proven to, distort sound.

" 6. The Burn-in lie" Burn-in is ture, and no joke

You didn't read it, plain and simple. He noted that burn in for drives (fyi, headphones have drivers) is true, and real. CABLE burn-in, is not true.

" 9. The CD treatment lie" Well some are lies some are not. SID CD enhancement realy worked in my case

No, you just think it did. Do you know how digital media works? There are lots of 0s and 1s on, in this case, a disk. Putting random crap on it doesn't change the 0s and 1s, except maybe making some of them unreadable. If that's the case, you're hearing errors, and enjoying them.
post #27 of 69
1/4/10 at 12:10am
Seamaster is the real deal. I agree with his opinions. To clarify tubes and cables don't lie if you spend enough money!!!!
post #28 of 69
1/4/10 at 12:14am
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Originally Posted by .Sup View Post
a 2k$ difference? c'mon...
What do you mean?
post #29 of 69
1/4/10 at 12:18am
In a perfect world, we don't need any hi-fi gear to reproduce music, but could that ever be real? The meaning lie could be very relative. You just can not define it by things.

If in a no lie world, the band or the artist just come and play for me when I ever I wanted, and there is big stage attched to my house.

Cables don't lie, they sound like crap then sound like crap. The have honest/fixed sound in a given system. They do alter the sound (lie in your case). But can you live without one? Unless you are using Meridian digital speaker system that don't use wire. In that case, here are hook-up wires in side the electornics. We just cann't get away with cable/wire. Don't try to complain the sun is too hot today, you just can't change it, but you could do some thing to alter the matter.
post #30 of 69
1/4/10 at 12:21am
In a no-lie world, there would be no audiophile cable industry.
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