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Cryo cables... hype or real?  

post #1 of 69
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I searched around and this is what I got:
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Exposing metallic objects to this extreme cold causes beneficial molecular changes to occur. As metallic objects cool, they shrink. With the extreme cooling and the shrinkage that follows LN² immersion, the crystal boundaries of metallic conductors align more closely with one another and become more conductive and quieter. [...] When conducting an electric signal, treated wire and formed metallic parts will produce less micro-diode-effect noise, less impurity-inclusion field disturbance, and less “slow-field” transverse energy generation. The result is a cable or electrical device that is quieter in noise floor and more revealing of subtle musical nuances.
I don't have a master's degree in cryo technology or electricity, however I highly doubt the so-called "micro-diode-effect noise" thing.
Maybe the copper really does change on a molecular level after being cryo'd, but how does this affect the sound (revealing of subtle musical nuances)?

EDIT: Darn, would a Mod please move this to the cables board?
post #2 of 69
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Originally Posted by 3602 View Post
I searched around and this is what I got:

I don't have a master's degree in cryo technology or electricity, however I highly doubt the so-called "micro-diode-effect noise" thing.
Maybe the copper really does change on a molecular level after being cryo'd, but how does this affect the sound (revealing of subtle musical nuances)?

EDIT: Darn, would a Mod please move this to the cables board?
Considering cables don't actually change the sound, putting one in a super-freezer most certainly wouldn't change it.
post #3 of 69
To me the are very real. Go to a mini meet. You may find someone with some Cryo'd cables? try them out with having to buy them first.
post #4 of 69
When companies are charging three figures for a $5 or $10 process... it isn't terribly difficult to understand what is really going on.
post #5 of 69
^Good point, uncle erik.

Two things: 1) What is a masters in cryo technology? 2) Make your own cables and find a local company that can cryo them. I'm sure it is possible and they would probably not charge you more than a few bucks. It isn't like liquid N2 is expensive.
post #6 of 69
No difference, it's all hype.
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post #8 of 69
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^ Well, at least according to BIG POPPA it makes a difference to him. How audible, I do not know. But maybe this is a bit like burn-in...?
post #9 of 69
There is a whole lot of people who agree that Cryo does make a difference. And there are people who do not believe Cryo makes a difference. The best way to settle this, is go listen and decide yourself. To me there is a difference and I would cryo all my cables if I found someone local and convenient. I like the sound signature of a cable cryo'd.
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post #11 of 69
Be verwy, verwy careful what you do this with. Some bonds aren't made for this kind of contraction. Expensive tubes sent for this could be a loss. Electronics too.

That said, I've ate enough humble pie to know not to doubt our esteemed crew when it comes to squeezing the last molecule of sound out of a vacuum.

Viva Hi Fi!
post #12 of 69
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Originally Posted by BIG POPPA View Post
There is a whole lot of people who agree that Cryo does make a difference. And there are people who do not believe Cryo makes a difference. The best way to settle this, is go listen and decide yourself. To me there is a difference and I would cryo all my cables if I found someone local and convenient. I like the sound signature of a cable cryo'd.
Or you could start by considering whether the claim made about equipment (e.g. that cryo'ing cables improves their ability to transmit audio signals) has a shred of plausibility. Once you have done that, you can confidently ignore those who claim to hear a difference. If the underlying science is utter nonsense, then claims based on that science must also be nonsense. I will give the benefit of the doubt to makers of such claims (provided they are not trying to sell me something) as enjoying the sweet sweet fruits of self-delusion.
post #13 of 69
Cables can change the sound, just buy a pair that distorts it with tonal alterations, such as the much-hyped Nordost Heimdall, or ones using copper cheaply electroplated with silver. That being said, while cryo'ing metals is supposed to be beneficial in some industries, for the end consumer, it's just a marketing tool. I couldn't care less whether a cable was cryo frozen or not, only how it (as little as possible!) distorts the signal.
post #14 of 69
First of all, this thread is in the wrong forum. It belongs in the cable forum, not the dedicated source forum.

Secondly, most people haven't compared one exact cable that was cryo'd to the same type of cable that isn't cryo'd. Unless you have you cannot make an accurate assessment. I know I haven't so I can't comment on the process one way or another. At the very least, it can help to strengthen the wire but what effect it has on the sound is unknown.

On some pieces of gear I cannot tell one cable from another and on other components the difference is obvious. I'm not sure why this is exactly. A perfect example of this is various HD800 headphone cables. With the Audio-gd Phoenix amp the differences can be enormous but on other amps not so much.
post #15 of 69
I'm skeptical, but I've never listed to cryo cables so I'll hold my tongue. Proof in the pudding and all that. On the other hand, the metallurgist in me (yes actually) wants to see the science. Can anyone point me to some research/articles?
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