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post #16 of 23
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Originally Posted by JxK View Post
Let me rephrase what I said. Yes, it is true that some balanced armature phones can get louder than a dynamic iem. But I don't think there is a dynamic IEM out there that can't be played by your typical portable player, even low power ones like the clip. And unlike multi-armature iems, dynamics can reach their full potential without having to lug along an amp. For some reason the specs on many BA phones are misleading, maybe it's the crossover...not sure really.
I very much agree with this. Dynamic earphones play very well from SoC players such as the clip/Fuze/Sony/600-1000/iPod touch/nano/classic. Volume is one thing and very personal. I've never needed to go anywhere near 25/30 with any iem, ever, but sensitive iems like balanced armatures have other problems.

Dynamics don't tend to swing as much in Ω as do balanced armatures, and BA earphones tend to have clusters of resistance or issue where their frequencies cross over, causing even SoC chips to lose resolution in frequency response.

Case in point: Sony 828 drives dynamic earphones very well with a bump of 1db in the low bass and a small dip in the upper frequencies when no EQ is applied. Every dynamic earphone is great with it. Some are loud, some are not until using the volume, but every single one is run pretty well 100% in terms of frequency response.

The same goes for the Fuze and clip and iPod touch and Classic. But, when driving even a single balanced armature such as the Sleek Audio CT6, each suffer bass roll off and audible narrowing of channels. The Fuze does best out of all of them, but it isn't as good as a dedicated iem amp such as the iBasso T3.

Enter hard to drive balanced armatures (very sensitive, low Ω earphones) such as the Fitear 333 and hello bass, but bye bye high mids and low treble. Each of them (The fuze the least) suffers a pretty massive suckout of around 5 -9 decibels in the high frequencies.

That is not driving very well. Volume is what you make of it and is very subjective, driving ability, however, is completely different. When driven well (not just pumped out in volume), earphones sound different. The FitEar 333 is my favourite custom earphone and is 16Ω and very sensitive: it hisses with every source even the iPod touch. But, it also can sound dull up top.

On the other hand, the JH13Pro can border on bright up top when not driven well. Balanced armature earphones can get loud from measley sources, but that is only one part of 'driving', and hardly the most difficult.

I would doubt if the E5 can even drive balanced armature earphones as most portable amps I use don't give the definition I get with the T3 or ALO Rx to balanced armature earphones.

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post #17 of 23
for what it is worth,i have a zune 120 and routinely listen to my klipsch x10 at 7 and if i used my westone um3x i would have to listen at about 3 or 4...you must have a bad zune
post #18 of 23
i listen to my TF10 on my zune HD at about 10..... its not quiet.
post #19 of 23
@OP:

Where do you live? If you live in europe you may suffer from the new rule that there is a max output lvl on DAPs. I upgraded my clip+ to the western firmware and the volume was quite low.. so I switched to the north-American one.
post #20 of 23
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Originally Posted by shigzeo View Post

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Originally Posted by JxK View Post
Let me rephrase what I said. Yes, it is true that some balanced armature phones can get louder than a dynamic iem. But I don't think there is a dynamic IEM out there that can't be played by your typical portable player, even low power ones like the clip. And unlike multi-armature iems, dynamics can reach their full potential without having to lug along an amp. For some reason the specs on many BA phones are misleading, maybe it's the crossover...not sure really.
I very much agree with this. Dynamic earphones play very well from SoC players such as the clip/Fuze/Sony/600-1000/iPod touch/nano/classic. Volume is one thing and very personal. I've never needed to go anywhere near 25/30 with any iem, ever, but sensitive iems like balanced armatures have other problems.

Dynamics don't tend to swing as much in Ω as do balanced armatures, and BA earphones tend to have clusters of resistance or issue where their frequencies cross over, causing even SoC chips to lose resolution in frequency response.

Case in point: Sony 828 drives dynamic earphones very well with a bump of 1db in the low bass and a small dip in the upper frequencies when no EQ is applied. Every dynamic earphone is great with it. Some are loud, some are not until using the volume, but every single one is run pretty well 100% in terms of frequency response.

The same goes for the Fuze and clip and iPod touch and Classic. But, when driving even a single balanced armature such as the Sleek Audio CT6, each suffer bass roll off and audible narrowing of channels. The Fuze does best out of all of them, but it isn't as good as a dedicated iem amp such as the iBasso T3.

Enter hard to drive balanced armatures (very sensitive, low Ω earphones) such as the Fitear 333 and hello bass, but bye bye high mids and low treble. Each of them (The fuze the least) suffers a pretty massive suckout of around 5 -9 decibels in the high frequencies.

That is not driving very well. Volume is what you make of it and is very subjective, driving ability, however, is completely different. When driven well (not just pumped out in volume), earphones sound different. The FitEar 333 is my favourite custom earphone and is 16Ω and very sensitive: it hisses with every source even the iPod touch. But, it also can sound dull up top.

On the other hand, the JH13Pro can border on bright up top when not driven well. Balanced armature earphones can get loud from measley sources, but that is only one part of 'driving', and hardly the most difficult.

I would doubt if the E5 can even drive balanced armature earphones as most portable amps I use don't give the definition I get with the T3 or ALO Rx to balanced armature earphones.


What i make out of this great post is that multidriver ba iems should be driven by outboard amps of the like of the T3.

 

post #21 of 23
The ie series by sennhiser are real easy to drive
post #22 of 23

Of the phones I have/had un-amped on iPhone 4 and on rockboxed clip+ Westones 2 & 3 (2 and 3 BA) were easiest to drive (in terms of loudness) followed closely by HJE900 (dynamic), then Audeos (1 BA) and finally MTPG (dynamic) were the softest.

 

When using through my FiiO 7 and Creek 11 amps in terms of sound quality improvement I'd say that Audeos and MTPGs audibly benefited most. Amping effect on HJEs was middling but still an amp (esepcially stationary Creek) tamed treble and made mids somewhat more forward. I couldn't hear any real imporvement on both Westones with either amp, there were obviously some slight balance and coloration diffs but nothing to write home about. This kinda contradicts shigzeo's explanations but then again I don't have his ears and insight :)

post #23 of 23

probably the shures

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