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post #76 of 274
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Originally Posted by sokolov91 View Post
Well first things first: Merry Christmas to all, or your respective celebration!

I really appreciate all the feedback I am getting, and am enjoying reading everyones impressions. I now see why forums are so addictive ahaha.

I did some major listening the past few days. Well... Grado 325i and AKG 701 can go. Grado just seems to keep losing its value. I mean it is a 300$ can, but it just can't keep up, and has a worse soundstage than the SA5k.

AKG 701 doesn't catch my attention. Just does its job well... I guess this is good and bad.

So like I said in my post before, I am stuck with the HD 600 and the SA5K and wanting a combination of their respective strengths.

The HE-5 looks very intriguing... on par apparently with the HD 800 and ~1/3 as expensive??? seems like my kind of can...

There seem to be skeptics, but the beyer 880/600 seems to be getting a good bit of recommendation.

I am wondering if a tube amp would help with the SA5K because tubes, by nature, are warm from what I have read...

My girlfriend bought me a pair of Ultrasone Proline 750 (I chose the right girl!)... I have read some very positive reviews, but there are few. Supposedly a faster, more detailed HD 600? I would open it, but the store probably won't accept a return for "hygiene" reasons. Apparently they don't trust me to wash my hair...
Helps with the bass, but still a bit lean in general.. IMO the 701 improves more with tubes.
post #77 of 274
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Originally Posted by kool bubba ice View Post
Which is a steal.. I read Iron Dreamers SA5000/W5000 review.. & seems that the W5000 really corrects all the SA5000 flaws.. I always wanted to try a pair..But I really want the HD800/T1 if I had that type of money.. But 500 for one of the best closed headphones in production is a great deal.
I am still waiting for an answer if HD800 betters W5000 in details department. Seems like no one cares/wanted to comment on that.

On SA5K cable change, can anyone comment on sonic improvements?
post #78 of 274
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Originally Posted by Andrew_WOT View Post
I am still waiting for an answer if HD800 betters W5000 in details department. Seems like no one cares/wanted to comment on that.
I read some half hearted impressions.. They seem to just blow off the W5000..
post #79 of 274
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Originally Posted by kool bubba ice View Post
I read some half hearted impressions.. They seem to just blow off the W5000..
I'd appreciate if you point me to this discussion.
Thx
post #80 of 274
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Originally Posted by sokolov91 View Post
As far as all the comments on the SA5K cable.... what's the big deal? its like 6N copper... It is a bit microphonic, but I don't dance whilst listening to it... I highly doubt at this level, a cable will make or break my headphone. I am not really convinced on cables anymore. I recently transfered ALL of my aftermarket cables to my humble speaker set up, and I have honestly not noticed much of a difference... But, then again, I have been listened less frequent with my headphones lately.

The SA5K is hardwired, and this makes me even less likely to recable it.
It matters not that you will want to recable it,sooner or later the phones will let you know that they want a recable.
post #81 of 274
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Originally Posted by kool bubba ice View Post
I'm also talking about the DT48a.. The other versions are not boring.. & only the DT48a has a really tiny SS.. You are confusing the DT48a, which was never made for music period.
it's just SO DAMN annoying that this company likes to use the same model number and release zillion different versions, like the DT770 that has +10 different variations(Pro/Manufaktur/Premium/M)...and it's always the highest impedance that sounds best(and that also needs serious amp to deliver the bass)...and it takes their most expensive T1 to get angled drivers(apparently?)...a L/R boring SS is not fun.

anyway, I think several ppl advised the OP to try the cd3k...this will be better than any beyer IMO, and a good contender to the sa5k.
post #82 of 274
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Originally Posted by leeperry View Post
it's just SO DAMN annoying that this company likes to use the same model number and release zillion different versions, like the DT770 that has +10 different variations(Pro/Manufaktur/Premium/M)
Agreed, however I prefer this to the blatant market saturation from a company like sennheiser, though.
post #83 of 274
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Originally Posted by Andrew_WOT View Post
I am still waiting for an answer if HD800 betters W5000 in details department. Seems like no one cares/wanted to comment on that.

On SA5K cable change, can anyone comment on sonic improvements?
"Detail" is a nebulous word, can you be more specific?

While I haven't heard the HD800 and W5000 side by side, I did own both, the W5000 far longer (I think I owned it more than a year). Even though I sold the W5000, I still liked it a lot, something I can't say for the HD800 in all the forms I've heard it in. The W5000 always did a very good job at separating multiple layers from each other and revealing their position in the soundstage. I'd also say it might have a more precise soundstage than the HD800. If your definition of detail includes hearing everything on the recording and where the individual instruments are positioned, and being able to hear the instruments cleanly and clearly without being blurred into one another even within the same frequency band, then the W5000 is hard to beat. As good as the HD800 is at separating instruments from each other, I've never found it to be very clean/clear and like a lot of other headphones I've heard, it "blurs" multiple instruments that are playing within the same frequency band.
post #84 of 274
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Originally Posted by kool bubba ice View Post
It goes beyond improvement.. When people say the cable sucks, they mean, chances are you would need to recable it in a yr or 2.. Alex from APS has told me, it's one of the worst cable designs he has seen..
I do not personally know Alex, but I mean when profit margins are like 1203928341234% (very precise measurement) I'm sure he would tell you anything aha.

I am also not satisfied enough with them to put another few hundred into them, and have no balanced source/amp to even really make it worth the while. I live in Canada so I would have to pay for insurance and get nailed on duties on the way back, and the conversion rate... yada yada, a lot for just a cable upgrade. I would rather something more tangible that I could sell easier in the end were I not satisfied.

But by all means thank you for the suggestion, I did not think of it myself, but at this point I don't think it is a rout I will take.
post #85 of 274
Thread Starter 
At this point, from what I have gathered, I have learned a few things from you helpful gentlemen.

1: Beyers, like all headphones are loved by some, and shunned by others. I would like to try them, but I think they will stay lower on my list of priorities except the T1. I don't mean to blatantly disregard the DT 880 fans, but they seems to be a parallel with pros and cons. I am looking for only pros.

2: Cable upgrading is something to seriously consider once the perfect phone is found.

3: At this point, I have tried almost all the "giant killers", save from AT and BD, and will have to start looking into "premium" headphones to geat a substantial improvement, and then and amp to follow suit.

The HE-5, W5000, HD 800, and T1 all seem to be real substantial upgrades... at quite a substantial price point (save maybe HE-5 in the context).

Again, a big thanks to everyone for their invaluable input and help!
post #86 of 274
Thread Starter 

Proline 750

I should be getting the Ultrasone Proline 750's soon. Any sauce (information) on these bad boys? I have only read positive reviews, but there are few. I will post once I receive them and compare them to my other headphones in another thread should anyone be interested.


I have been the one asking for help, but if anyone wants specific info on what I think about x can vx y can I guess just pm me. I would be more than happy to help.

I hope everyone had a very Merry Christmas!
post #87 of 274
I have personal experience regarding many of the question raised in this thread.

On W5000: I owned both the SA5000 and W5000 and sold the W5000. The W5000 seems to be hit and miss for different people with different equipment and different ear/head shapes. Some people love it and others are wondering if they are talking about the same headphones. For me, with Audio-GD Roc solid state amp single ended, the W5000 didn't do anything better than the SA5000. The W5000's midrange was just weird. Hollow and weird. I can't describe it well even in my mother language. The W5000 is a little warmer than SA5000 which was nice for a change but I always ended up listening to music with the SA5000. All this with metal and rock.

On tubes with SA5k: I also own a Darkvoice 336SE and the Roc completely destroys it. It is not really a fair comparison as the Roc is 2,5 times the price of the 336SE. The bass goes deeper with the Roc and the midrange is much more transparent and open with it too. Overall tone is warmer with the DV but the sonic improvements that come with the Roc are far greater than the just slightly nicer tone you get with the 336SE. Maybe some higher end transformer coupled tube amp would do well with the SA5k.

On recabling: My SA5k's are currently being recabled and balanced with a 4-pin XLR for my Roc (so my sig is a bit ahead of it's time). I will also be getting a single ended adapter so I can compare the changes that come with the cable and with going balanced. I will get home in 2 weeks and hopefully have them ready by then and will be posting impressions if you like. I don't have previous experience with recables but the SA5k are notorious for their bad stock cable and the Y-solution as well. http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b3...SA5Krepair.jpg
post #88 of 274
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Originally Posted by sokolov91 View Post
I should be getting the Ultrasone Proline 750's soon. Any sauce (information) on these bad boys?
recabling is snake oil at their best....think about it as a last resort upgrade, first get a killer source, a killer amp, some bad ass phones...and if you still got some spare cash you can think about it.

the Pro750 made me wanna jump off the window because the SQ was so BAD(whining metallic mids and not much else, and horrible comfort if you don't have tiny ears)...hope this helps
post #89 of 274
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Originally Posted by leeperry View Post
the Pro750 made me wanna jump off the window because the SQ was so BAD(whining metallic mids and not much else, and horrible comfort if you don't have tiny ears)...hope this helps
LOL, not you alone bro.
post #90 of 274
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Originally Posted by Asr View Post
"Detail" is a nebulous word, can you be more specific?

While I haven't heard the HD800 and W5000 side by side, I did own both, the W5000 far longer (I think I owned it more than a year). Even though I sold the W5000, I still liked it a lot, something I can't say for the HD800 in all the forms I've heard it in. The W5000 always did a very good job at separating multiple layers from each other and revealing their position in the soundstage. I'd also say it might have a more precise soundstage than the HD800. If your definition of detail includes hearing everything on the recording and where the individual instruments are positioned, and being able to hear the instruments cleanly and clearly without being blurred into one another even within the same frequency band, then the W5000 is hard to beat. As good as the HD800 is at separating instruments from each other, I've never found it to be very clean/clear and like a lot of other headphones I've heard, it "blurs" multiple instruments that are playing within the same frequency band.
Great post, thanks Asr.
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