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post #181 of 274
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Originally Posted by sokolov91 View Post
So, I will admit it is a ton of fun to have people comment in your thread much more than in others , but I wan't to bump my thread now that I have new experiences, and have done more research on google and head-fi.

Many people pointed me to the pro 900 and the W5000 and I am very interested in both. I feel I will sell my pro 750 and get the pro 900 and still look for another headphone to replace the rest of my open headphones.

The ultrasone pro 750 have something special, and very musical about them, but hearing an open can after using them for weeks at a time is like a breath of fresh air. The macro detail and dynamics in the pro 750, at this point in my career are unmatched. The SA5K after lots of AB is still much quicker and detailed over all. They have different ideas about tonality. Pro 750 tends to be very musically correct, while SA5K is PHD correct. Both are enjoyable and have replaced anything else I listen to as a duo.

The W1000x is on my watch list, the W5000 is too but I am wondering if it is more to do with how sexy they are, as opposed to what I have been told. Speed and detail and soundstage are supposedly great, but ultrasone has left me with a newfound desire of quality, audible bass.

In no order

D5/7000 -may have too much bass
W1000x - if is as good as the w5000 or better let me know
W5000 - if it beats the SA5K in enough categories to warrant getting, and > than w1000x
T1 - skylab and macedonian hero speak very highly of this can... seems to be quite a nice blend.

I would like to get the HD 800, but I will save that for a better source and amp in the future... hopefully the price will go down.

Are all fighting to claim my soul mate to the pro 900 I will inevitably be buying. It would replace the HD600/K702/SR325i/(SA5000 if possible)

If people could chime in again with their two cents, now that I have narrowed it down a bit, I would be very grateful.

And, like the title, please, no grados.


Thanks
The W5000 is the SA5000 minus the flaws.. & maybe even more detailed & resolving.
post #182 of 274
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Originally Posted by kool bubba ice View Post
The W5000 is the SA5000 minus the flaws.. & maybe even more detailed & resolving.
Any idea if the w1000x would be even better? I am edging closer to the w5000, but its the bass quantity that has me a little worried. From what I understand the w1000x has more bass, but I haven't read if it retains the sound-stage and detail/speed... so I am waiting on more info between those two at this point.

I read you are getting the T1 in april IIRC. I look forward to reading your impressions then and see if there is any competition or not. 300$ worth of competition will be tough to decided haha.
post #183 of 274
I really love this thread... Makes me want to get some SA5K even more after hearing the DT880. They lacked transparency, IMO. Just a lot of congestion.


However...

Another can you might want to consider also is the AD2000. I've heard really great things about it. Apparently it's a much more bassy and warm version of the SA5K.

Here they are compared:

http://www.head-fi.org/forums/f4/spe...mpared-319009/
post #184 of 274
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Originally Posted by clarinetman View Post
I really love this thread... Makes me want to get some SA5K even more after hearing the DT880. They lacked transparency, IMO. Just a lot of congestion.


However...

Another can you might want to consider also is the AD2000. I've heard really great things about it. Apparently it's a much more bassy and warm version of the SA5K.

Here they are compared:

http://www.head-fi.org/forums/f4/spe...mpared-319009/
Thanks for the input clarinetman (oohhh and now a link!)! I will be sure to check the AD2000 out. I think it was mentioned earlier too.

I have never heard a DT 880, or any beyer in my life. I am interested in them because I am a headphone addict haha, but I will get one of audiogon or something when they are a steal. Based on some really me-specific feedback I have gotten, they are not that different from baselines I know. I could be wrong though.

While some say the soundstage is fine in the SA5K, in my personal experience it is not overly limited, like grado, but leaves a bit to be desired. The detail and speed are very exceptional. They are a bit of a magnifying glass. If you had an issue with congestion with the DT 880, you may have an issue with the SA5K, albeit a different kind.

To elaborate, congestion due to speed and smudging is NOT AT ALL a characteristic of th SA5K, it is a strength. IMO I find because there is such a wealth of detail I tend to listen to one or few instruments at a time, and find it hard to listen to everything. I tend to have to make a conscious effort to absorb everything. I don't know if I am wierd here, but thats just my two cents.

If you can get over that issue (which may or may not be a case study haha) they will present you with all the detail and clarity you need. I paid 450 for mine with taxes, import duties, and shipping to Canada, and I consider them to be a bargain.

I did recently find however, that once I solved the ground loop in my audio system and started using it (Asus Xonar STX -> LD MKV amp) All of my headphones advanced overall, but none as pronounced as the SA5K. Bass greatly improved, and detail is striking. Before i was using a NAD cd player with the same amp.

So, my impressions may differ from others because I was / am using inferior equipment.

Consider selling those DT 880 if you weren't impressed and save up!
Based on the headphones in your sig, it should be quite a step in terms of detail and speed... think the detail that the SR325i has where it excels... but everywhere!
post #185 of 274
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Just read the thread you posted above... Thanks a lot haha. It had a lot of questions I wanted answered... seems it is the exact opposite of what I wanted hahaha.... Oh boy, will impressions ever cease to be so different?

Closer, smaller sound stage/ less separation - xxxxx NOES!!!
Slightly less bright - check
slower - x

Maybe AT is not what I want... Unless the w5000 is significantly different... apparently it is even brighter according to that guy. Looks like W1000x verdicts will be needed until I can put them in the no list.... They are so damned sexy though... sigh. 500+ glam without the substance I want is simply not within my budget hahaha.

very helpful find, I am very grateful!
post #186 of 274
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Originally Posted by kool bubba ice View Post
The W5000 is the SA5000 minus the flaws.. & maybe even more detailed & resolving.
W5000 may sound more "musical" to some ears due to its heavy coloration or "sugar coating" to the music. It is very close to SA5000 in terms of resolution and transparency, but falls short on neutrality and bass impact.
post #187 of 274
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Originally Posted by sokolov91 View Post
Just read the thread you posted above... Thanks a lot haha. It had a lot of questions I wanted answered... seems it is the exact opposite of what I wanted hahaha.... Oh boy, will impressions ever cease to be so different?

Closer, smaller sound stage/ less separation - xxxxx NOES!!!
Slightly less bright - check
slower - x

Maybe AT is not what I want... Unless the w5000 is significantly different... apparently it is even brighter according to that guy. Looks like W1000x verdicts will be needed until I can put them in the no list.... They are so damned sexy though... sigh. 500+ glam without the substance I want is simply not within my budget hahaha.

very helpful find, I am very grateful!
I'm glad it was helpful.

In regard to the W5000, I would personally invest in them. While I haven't heard them specifically, I am indeed an AT fan just because of their ability to do air and sparkly treble so well. Gotta love the forward mids, too. I briefly listened to my friend's AD700, which to my astonishment, found it to be profoundly better than the DT880 in most ways I prefer (sans the incredible timbre and realism). Nonetheless, I imagine the W5000 shares the same AT house sound.
post #188 of 274
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Originally Posted by clarinetman View Post
I'm glad it was helpful.

In regard to the W5000, I would personally invest in them. While I haven't heard them specifically, I am indeed an AT fan just because of their ability to do air and sparkly treble so well. Gotta love the forward mids, too. I briefly listened to my friend's AD700, which to my astonishment, found it to be profoundly better than the DT880 in most ways I prefer (sans the incredible timbre and realism). Nonetheless, I imagine the W5000 shares the same AT house sound.
Very good point. Based on the amount of info here and other threads I could see how you are confident making that assumption.

About AT, I have a pair of ESW9 I bought for my GF for valentines day (very long story, and I have rigged it to be romantic regardless of how nerdy it may seem... especially to a girl). Yep, I opened them up to burn them in... great excuse to listen to them if you ask me!! hahaha. Anyways, They do have a very pleasant sound, especially for such a small and closed headphone.

I will listen to them more before I give them to her and try and get some info because I haven't had time lately and have actually been just letting them play.

On another note, the ATH-A900ti, which is a limited edition A900 is apparently leaps and bounds better than the standard A900. It also employs a lot of what the AT flagship series have specs wise. DDS and 53 phi drivers and all that jazz... check them out.. I may as well too as they are a good 2-3 hundred less than a W5000 or W1000x.

I first read about them in this thread http://www.head-fi.org/forums/f4/bes...-400-a-471112/

Check it out.
post #189 of 274
Do get the Pro 900 they are a safe upgrade over the 750 except for the bass boost. You mentioned Denons may have to much bass so you may get the same issue with the 900. I sometimes wished I would have kept the 750 to get an almost 900 without the bass boost. I have also wanted to hear the SA5000. I would like to find something that does what the Ultrasones do but better. Have not heard any headphone that have the same strengths really. SA5000 is so often suggested to be even faster and more detailed. Though I don´t want to loose the soundstage of the 900.
post #190 of 274
Oooh Just wait 'till i get my hands on them...SA5000/W5000/D5000 grand melee and only one will come out supreme. I can't wait.

Pro900 are indeed serious kickers though, Best rock cans i heard.
post #191 of 274
lol we should do an exchange... I am doing a Pro 900/Edition 8/DX 1000 melee
post #192 of 274
Where is the AD2000 love?

EPIC FIGHT!
post #193 of 274
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Originally Posted by oqvist View Post
Do get the Pro 900 they are a safe upgrade over the 750 except for the bass boost. You mentioned Denons may have to much bass so you may get the same issue with the 900. I sometimes wished I would have kept the 750 to get an almost 900 without the bass boost. I have also wanted to hear the SA5000. I would like to find something that does what the Ultrasones do but better. Have not heard any headphone that have the same strengths really. SA5000 is so often suggested to be even faster and more detailed. Though I don´t want to loose the soundstage of the 900.
I have already decided I am most certainly getting the pro 900. I need to wait until I have enough cash, as I want to do some serious A/B ing so I am 100% certain of my purchase. Problem is no cash up front for them, so I need to save up.

I'm quite sure Ultrasone has a fan in me the same way they do in you. Very rich, I like the detail -I find it unique but detailed nonetheless, and the soundstage while somewhat closed, is very 3D at the same time... They are indeed very special. I cannot stress enough how I find these headphones bring out macro detail in a song. Really gives a clear image of how the song as a whole sounds.

If the 750 is an almost 900, then I am unsure if you would like the SA5K. The SA5K is extremely dry/cold and crisp when compared to the pro 750. As a duo, they are quite complementary... but as far as a replacement to the ultrasones, I am unsure if any headphone is cable of doing that completely. The bass simply doesn't have the mass that the ultrasones do. The bass is phenomenal and detailed, but to the extent you have to actively try to listen to it, it is not nearly as effortless and natural as the pro 750. I would argue that the trade off is in favor of the ultrasones in the bass region for most people.

The SA5K are almost ethereal in their clarity and detail. They do lack soundstage... musicality a bit I suppose and just... they lack weight in the lower frequencies.

You have heard the K702, they are quite similar to the SA5K, except the SA5K walks all over it in every regard, save soundstage. The extension in all frequencies is much greater and doesn't give you that... stretching sensation the 702 can at times(low bass content for seemingly infinite mids and highs). Tonality, speed and attack are all incredibly convincing on the SA5K. The SA5K while very clinical, don't sound sterile and boring like the k702. Soundstage is significantly smaller, but I am no longer sure the K702 have that as a strength. It may not be just that the SS is smaller, there is also no unnatural amount of airiness, but crystal clarity.

It will probably be a month+ before I can afford the pro 900 but I will be sure to post impressions here, and then in a thread on its own.

BTW how does the goldpoint pair with the Pro 900? I want to upgrade my amp in the summer to either goldpoint or a burson 160.
post #194 of 274
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Originally Posted by Amarphael View Post
Oooh Just wait 'till i get my hands on them...SA5000/W5000/D5000 grand melee and only one will come out supreme. I can't wait.

Pro900 are indeed serious kickers though, Best rock cans i heard.
You are selling the pro 900 to potentially pay for the SA5000/W5000/D5000 o_0?

Thats a pretty big risk since, except for the denons, they have VERY different bass style and presentation...
post #195 of 274
Thanks a million for that sokolov91!

As for goldpoint headphone Pro I do feel it´s really quite neutral and transparent. The previous amps I got has been a bit on the warm side. Heed Canamp and Slee Solo is what I have used the most. The Pro 900 on the headphone Pro is slightly brighter while being both stronger and better controlled in the bass how now that is possible! Higher resolution which was clear both with this and the K701. the K701 became just to booring with it though. Very detailed I hear things I haven´t heard before. They make pretty much all my headphones more serious and less "fun" so to speak. Makes me totally understand the idea that a good headphone amp takes control over your transducer.
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