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post #151 of 274
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Originally Posted by sokolov91 View Post
Whops looks like a copy and paste error on my part! Thanks for catching that. All except for the last sentence is about the SA5K.

I am doing even more critical listening with the pro 750, now using the RCA out of my Xonar STX and a LD MKV. Quite stunning, to say the least.

The pro 750 scale EXCEPTIONALLY well with a better source and amp. Much more so than my other headphones I would argue, with obviously the exception of an unamped HD 600.

I read a review of the Edition 8 here by a russian fellow whos name I can't recall right now, but he described the Ultrasone approach and sound perfectly. Bass is the foundation of all music, and the Ultrasone do bass like no other. They hold the rest of the spectrum up with more confidence than any other headphone I have heard. They are not afraid to be show you whats in the low end, and they make sure it doesn't mean you cant see the whole picture. No bloating, no muddiness, no cutting out other frequencies, just pure bass bliss.


To comment on the detail and tonality again, I would argue the SA5K is more detailed over all. On the other hand the pro 750 are breaking in, or my brain is, and they do some things that the SA5K can't. Part of this is due to the lack of soundstage on the SA5K, I think. The pro 750 truly give you the feeling you are in the mixing studio with the band playing live on the other side of the glass. Imaging, resolution, or whatever term people want to use to describe lack of congestion in a headphone the pro 750 are the epitome of that term, from what I have heard thusfar anyways. That is based on the headphones I own, however.

So while the speed is slower, the detail a bit lower too (really depends on what aspect you are focusing on, however. Ultra wins some, SA5K wins some, but I would argue SA5K is the more detailed), the presentation and supreme resolution of the music more than make up for any shortcomings. The pro 750 are no slouches, they just aren't as nimble as the SA5K.

I really want to avoid coming off as a fanboy. I love all my headphones, but I am very taken with my Pro 750. They are closed headphones from a lesser known manufacturer. Nothing would have lead me to believe they would be anywhere near this good. I was so skeptical at first I didn't even want to open them in case I couldn't return them! I would like to add I am making sure as much as possible that my observations are objective. So trying to put sound before personal preference, as hard as that is.

I will mention again that these are the only headphones I have found thusfar that truly bring HIFI enjoyment of music genres such as hard rock, metal, and all variants of said genres. These are by no means a "rock can" just with dueling guitars, soloing drums and such things can get crowded, and these do not dissapoint, or in any other genre. I dare anyone to tell my they have heard "Follow the Reaper" sound better on another headphone!

If anyone wants a comparison to any of my headphones vs pro 750 in a given category, give me a shout. I will see what I can do.
Whats wrong with being a fan boy.. Seems like you found the 'one' for you.. Peter is a 750 fan boy.. Acix is a 702 fan boy.. I'm a DT48 fan boy.

Take peoples opinions with a grain of salt.. You heard about the hate the 750 has. How 'awful' they are.. Only you can really decide. If I listened to people I would never have bought the SA5000, cause it 'has no bass', 'un listenable', 'thin', yada, yada, yada..
post #152 of 274
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Originally Posted by clarinetman View Post
Yes, quite intriguing... Why didn't you buy the 2500 instead? Open cans are better than closed ones for their wider sound stage, IMO.
Tell that to R10 owners,and for that matter to any of the CD owners,it is quite evident that you have never listened to a CD 1-2-3000.
Do not think that everything you read on head-fi is gospel.
post #153 of 274
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Haha calm down people. Open is better is a rule of thumb! Doesn't mean it is always right, and he may have noticed all of my other headphones were open. Very valid question if you ask me, especially since they are the exact same headphone, just with open/closed as a difference. Not to mention a closed uber high end phone is not the same as a closed mid fi headphone.
post #154 of 274
Having owned both the SA5000 and the Pro750 (and the Edition 9), I have to say the Ultrasones don't "better" the SA5000. Bettering, to me, would be stating that they do everything the Sony's do and then some, which they don't.

The Ultrasones have better bass, greater body, and more sense of PRaT. However, their tonality is slightly metallic, and they're neither as fast nor as detailed as the SA5000. The Sony's are still the speed kings of the dynamic world, out of all the headphones I've heard.

Edit: A more formidable contender for the title of "better than an SA5000" might be the HD800
post #155 of 274
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Originally Posted by sokolov91 View Post
Man you sure love those CDxK headphones!

One thing I was wanting to ask you. Did you ditch your STX for the Audiotrak soundcard? I am having issues with noise from my computer using the line out of my stx, I never had any with the amp out, but my LD MK5 makes my headphones sound so much better...Did you ever encounter this?

If you could briefly comment I would greatly appreciate it.
I've owned this cd1k for like 15 years, I thought the audio industry would have made far better phones in the mean time...hah, wrong judgment on my side

well, the cd3k drivers when angled simply kill..I'd agree w/ pretty much all the reviews there: Sony MDR-CD3000 Reviews :: Headphone Reviews
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The highlight of the CD3000 is most certainly its cavernous soundstage that separates instruments into their own locations better than all but only the very best headphones. The first time I heard these cans, I was mesmerized by the expansiveness and surrounding nature of the soundstage. The angled drivers undoubtedly help these cans project a frontal soundstage better than many competitors.
it breaks the music in zillion headstage layers, so nice!! and so addictive...unnatural? who cares, we're here for the fun...and movies mixed w/ 3D effects like Logic7 are simply beyond words, talk about "out of the head" experience

yes, the STX has a very harsh upper spectrum(it actually gave me ear pains because it was so damn agressive ), really not my kind of sound...I see ppl pulling off caps now, sounds like a plan.

the HD2 Advance is far more analog sounding, quite a dark source I was told...it's really fantastic on the cd1k, then the opamp rolling kicks in but I think I've found my favorite chips by now...they just do it exactly the way I want to hear my music.

also the HD2 runs very professional drivers(EWDM made by ESI), the STX drivers are a joke..I couldn't even play 192kHz on XP, all I was getting was background noise..and the HD2 DAC does 128X oversampling up to 192kHz, the STX only 64X above 96kHz and Asus didn't force 128X at all(default is 64X at all fs)

I also got groundloop issues when connecting my HD2 to a Burson HA-160 amp, but it also happened from the mobo sound chip...and my PC is plugged to a wall plug that's not grounded, so prolly the computer ground was being sent directly to the amp...anyhow the cd3k drivers don't really need an amp(as said on the aforementioned link) as they have a very low impedance and very high sensitivity(the d2k is even worse, cd3k is 32Ω/104dB and d2k is like 25Ω/106dB or so??)

..and the HD2 has two NJM4580V that are here to flood your cans w/ current, and they do it amazingly well(a far cry from the ear shredding amp of the STX). w/ 24/192 sinc upsampling on the PC in KS and some nice 3D sounding op-amps(AD797B for instance), I really have no urge for upgraditis no more..the beast has been fed

but your brain likes the Pro750 and your ears are small enough to fit in it, enjoy!
post #156 of 274
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Originally Posted by Covenant View Post
Having owned both the SA5000 and the Pro750 (and the Edition 9), I have to say the Ultrasones don't "better" the SA5000. Bettering, to me, would be stating that they do everything the Sony's do and then some, which they don't.

The Ultrasones have better bass, greater body, and more sense of PRaT. However, their tonality is slightly metallic, and they're neither as fast nor as detailed as the SA5000. The Sony's are still the speed kings of the dynamic world, out of all the headphones I've heard.

Edit: A more formidable contender for the title of "better than an SA5000" might be the HD800
Yeah, you are completely right. I am just very blown away by the Pro 750. They might not be better overall, but they are so much of what I was looking for to fill the gaps in the SA5K, and not THAT much of a step behind what the SA5K do well. They also gave me things I didn't even know I wanted, or existed for that matter. So while they are not better, they certainly are not worse. They are a "sidegrade" more than an upgrade overall.

SA5K are very quick, and more detailed, but the pro 750 seem to present some detail the SA5K does not, but not more by anymeans. Just detail associated with the soundstage I suppose. Backing vocals and other more ambient and quieter things are much more pronounced and part of the music. And imaging/soundstage is 100x better. They are more detailed than the other headphones I have, putting it closer to the SA5K. Again all of these judgments are based on my young ears, and my headphones and sources.

I am not hearing this metallic sound people have brought up. What I do hear, is just... something special. Ultrasone has a way of making the music sounding alive, everywhere, and truly engaging. I have never found myself bobing my head or orchestrating anywhere near this much at any point in my life while listening to music :P.

The HD 800 is an obvious competitor, but it also costs 1/10 of my yearly salary at this point in my life... The ATH W5000 and pro 900 intrigue me much more as they are A cheaper, and B offer unique things too. I don't want to end my journy so suddenly should they be the perfect headphone :P. They sure would be awesome to have though...
post #157 of 274
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Originally Posted by sokolov91 View Post
I am not hearing this metallic sound people have brought up. What I do hear, is just... something special. Ultrasone has a way of making the music sounding alive, everywhere, and truly engaging.
It's a subtle colouration, and only noticable when you're used to phones that do tone very well.

When I first found the Pro750 I thought of it as the "Fixed SA5000" too, but eventually sold them due to their tone (and their comfort, for that matter). But hey, enjoy them, all our ears are different
post #158 of 274
What headphones do you have now by the way Covenant?
Sigh, I've read so many conflicting reviews about the SA5k I have no idea if I want to even bother as I am pretty sure I will be unsucessful at selling them if I don't like them
post #159 of 274
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Originally Posted by MrGreen View Post
What headphones do you have now by the way Covenant?
HD600 and a HF-2. The "acoustic" headphone and the "rock" headphone, as it were. I eventually got over my craving for ultra-fast, detailed, bassy cans and settled on those that do tone and mids right first and foremost.
post #160 of 274
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Originally Posted by Covenant View Post
HD600 and a HF-2. The "acoustic" headphone and the "rock" headphone, as it were. I eventually got over my craving for ultra-fast, detailed, bassy cans and settled on those that do tone and mids right first and foremost.
Personally I am just looking for a fullsize, open Ety ER4. It's pretty much the sound I am after but the isolation and comfort are a bitch after a while.

I have a feeling I am going to have to spend big to truly find what I am after
post #161 of 274
Electrostatic?
post #162 of 274
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Originally Posted by Ra97oR View Post
Electrostatic?
I could probably pull that off if I sold some of my unwanted gear but I have trouble selling gear.
I've never tried an electrostat and want some decent impact in my bass so thats a concern.

Oh, sorry for the OT
post #163 of 274
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Originally Posted by MrGreen View Post
I could probably pull that off if I sold some of my unwanted gear but I have trouble selling gear.
I've never tried an electrostat and want some decent impact in my bass so thats a concern.

Oh, sorry for the OT
Electrostatic does have bass impact, hell even the SR-001 have quite a bit of punch. If you are looking for D7000 punch no, but bass is there.
post #164 of 274
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Originally Posted by ford2 View Post
Tell that to R10 owners,and for that matter to any of the CD owners,it is quite evident that you have never listened to a CD 1-2-3000.
Do not think that everything you read on head-fi is gospel.
I do agree with you in part. I did listen the R10s and they're literally the best I've ever heard, dare I say beating out the HD800 by a substantial margin (to my ears). However, other cans that sounded incredible had a tendency to be open; ones that stand out in my mind were the Qualias, Stax, K1000, and even just the DT880 (semi-open).

I don't believe everything on head-fi, I just speak from experience.
post #165 of 274
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Originally Posted by Covenant View Post
HD600 and a HF-2. The "acoustic" headphone and the "rock" headphone, as it were. I eventually got over my craving for ultra-fast, detailed, bassy cans and settled on those that do tone and mids right first and foremost.
No kidding you got over detail and speed if the HD 600 are what you settled with :P. They are so smooth though... so smooth and laid back. I am always happy I didn't sell them what I put them back on after a while. Just out of curiosity, how much time did you put on the 750?
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