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post #16 of 274
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Originally Posted by sokolov91 View Post
That would be very much appreciated! I look forward to it!
This is based on the DT48a & the DT880 05 250 ohm. Never heard the DT880 600 ohm.
Detail: DT48
Resolution: DT48
Separation of instruments: DT48
Highs: DT880
Treble: DT880
Mid range: DT48
Out of head imaging : DT880
Lows: DT880
Speed: DT48
Bass quantity: DT880
Bass quality: DT880
Bass impact/slam DT880
Neutrality: DT48
tonal balance: DT48
timbre: DT48
Musicality: DT880
Sound stage depth & width DT880
Clarity: DT48
smoothness: DT880

& keep in mind, the DT48 is closed & the DT880 is 'semi' open.
post #17 of 274
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Originally Posted by clarinetman View Post
How does the DT48 compare to the DT880 for music listening?
The DT880 is better with more genres.. The DT48 is pigeon toed to just a few..But excel with Jazz, chamber music, folk, acoustics, small classical assembles.. & the DT880's bass makes them more musical IMO.
post #18 of 274
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Originally Posted by sokolov91 View Post
I did some quick quick research, but I am guessing these are no longer being made?

Thanks
They have been in production since 1937.. & was introduced to the public in the early 50's. I have one of the originals from 53 or 57. NAGRA DT48 Silver. They are still being made today.. The DT48A is Beyers Audio metric headphones.. The DT48E is used for research, recording, & studio monitoring.. I would buy used in case you don't like them.. Some go as low as 25 on the used market.. But the usual used price is 150.. They retail for 449.00..
post #19 of 274
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Originally Posted by kool bubba ice View Post
This is based on the DT48a & the DT880 05 250 ohm. Never heard the DT880 600 ohm.
Detail: DT48
Resolution: DT48
Separation of instruments: DT48
Highs: DT880
Treble: DT880
Mid range: DT48
Out of head imaging : DT880
Lows: DT880
Speed: DT48
Bass quantity: DT880
Bass quality: DT880
Bass impact/slam DT880
Neutrality: DT48
tonal balance: DT48
timbre: DT48
Musicality: DT880
Sound stage depth & width DT880
Clarity: DT48
smoothness: DT880

& keep in mind, the DT48 is closed & the DT880 is 'semi' open.

Thanks! That's quite a lot of info.

A stupid question... What's the difference between "highs" and "treble", exactly? Do the DT48s have a more more warm or cold presentation? I tend to dislike anything too warm/dark, being a Grado fanatic (although I'm ready for something different).

Most importantly though, do the DT48s really knock the DT880s out of the park in terms of detail/clarity/realism for the extra 50-100 dollars? I heard somewhere else that the DT880 sounded "veiled" by comparison, but is it really a difference worth the extra buck?
post #20 of 274
the SS seems to be awfully tiny on the DT48...I think what ppl like in the sa5k/cd3k is the wiiiide 3D'ish SS, and the detailed trebles/non bloated aerial bass.
post #21 of 274
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by kool bubba ice View Post
This is based on the DT48a & the DT880 05 250 ohm. Never heard the DT880 600 ohm.
Detail: DT48
Resolution: DT48
Separation of instruments: DT48
Highs: DT880
Treble: DT880
Mid range: DT48
Out of head imaging : DT880
Lows: DT880
Speed: DT48
Bass quantity: DT880
Bass quality: DT880
Bass impact/slam DT880
Neutrality: DT48
tonal balance: DT48
timbre: DT48
Musicality: DT880
Sound stage depth & width DT880
Clarity: DT48
smoothness: DT880

& keep in mind, the DT48 is closed & the DT880 is 'semi' open.
Thank you very much for taking the time for this break down. The DT48 seems to have all the elements of the SA5k I enjoy, but lacking, at least compared to the 880, what I was hoping to gain on top of what the SA5k had to offer. I guess that was a bit of an unrealistic goal.

I will definitely have to try and find them used. They seem very interesting.

Thank you again
post #22 of 274
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by leeperry View Post
the SS seems to be awfully tiny on the DT48...I think what ppl like in the sa5k/cd3k is the wiiiide 3D'ish SS, and the detailed trebles/non bloated aerial bass.
I will definitely agree with you on the bass. Very present, clean, and as you said, non bloated. The bass doesn't bleed. While this will ensure the can is never "warm" sounding, it also makes the bass seem a little inorganic. So I really enjoy the SA5k to hear what the bass is actually like in a song, but it is not as emotionally engaging as a less accurate can.

The soundstage, to me at least, is more of a Grado on steroids. It is not very 3D to me at all. Very 2D, actually. Layered, if you would, instead of say spatial like the HD 600. Detail is hiding behind detail, instead of being more resolute, and less detailed. I think this is where my fatigue may lie. Aside from being a bit bright, there is "sifting" that needs to be done to isolate the massive amounts of detail you are presented with.

I guess what I am looking for is a SA5k meets HD 600?
post #23 of 274
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by kool bubba ice View Post
This is based on the DT48a & the DT880 05 250 ohm. Never heard the DT880 600 ohm.
Detail: DT48
Resolution: DT48
Separation of instruments: DT48
Highs: DT880
Treble: DT880
Mid range: DT48
Out of head imaging : DT880
Lows: DT880
Speed: DT48
Bass quantity: DT880
Bass quality: DT880
Bass impact/slam DT880
Neutrality: DT48
tonal balance: DT48
timbre: DT48
Musicality: DT880
Sound stage depth & width DT880
Clarity: DT48
smoothness: DT880

& keep in mind, the DT48 is closed & the DT880 is 'semi' open.
I saw a DT 990 on sale used somewhere for around 180 US. Is the DT 990 comparable, or better in your opinion to the 880/48?

It is a little off topic, but budget is a key factor too ^___^
post #24 of 274
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Originally Posted by sokolov91 View Post
The fatigue is my only complain, really. I don't want something "warmer", "richer" etc etc. I want something as cold, detailed, quick and clean as this can, but without the fatigue, so I am guessing a TAD more "musical" and with a bigger resolution/soundstange but the same detail.
Thanks
I own the SA5K and DT-48e. If you want something more musical with better sound stage, don't get the DT48. It has no soundstage, no bass, and sounds terrible with anything except acoustic instruments and vocals. However, the DT48 will totally spank the SA5K for detail resolution.
post #25 of 274
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Originally Posted by tvrboy View Post
...sounds terrible with anything except acoustic instruments and vocals. However, the DT48 will totally spank the SA5K for detail resolution.

In only those areas or just in general?


I'm getting more and more indecisive...
post #26 of 274
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by clarinetman View Post
In only those areas or just in general?


I'm getting more and more indecisive...
Haha advice and opinions are just as much a curse as a blessing it would seem ^___^. I am unsure what to think as well. I wish I could audition all these phones, but I know of no store near me that would carry the DT48.
post #27 of 274
If you love the SA5000's sound then you will love the sound of the CD3000,the 5000 is no match for the 3000 it has all that the 5000 has +++++ more.
post #28 of 274
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Originally Posted by clarinetman View Post
In only those areas or just in general?


I'm getting more and more indecisive...
Huh? What do you mean?
post #29 of 274
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Originally Posted by tvrboy View Post
Huh? What do you mean?
You stated that the DT48 sounds horrible with anything other than acoustic and vocal music, but is better than the SA5000 in detail. The question being, is the DT48 better in detail with only acoustic and vocal music or with every genera?
post #30 of 274
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Originally Posted by leeperry View Post
the SS seems to be awfully tiny on the DT48...I think what ppl like in the sa5k/cd3k is the wiiiide 3D'ish SS, and the detailed trebles/non bloated aerial bass.
The DT48a with stock cable has the smallest sound stage I ever heard, very claustraphobic, but some how does a amazing job with giving instruments their own space. And yes, treble is lacking with the DT48a, but very non fatiguing headphone, and still pulls out great amount of detail, minus not being bright with hot treble. The DT48a bass is anemic.. Small, but very fast, tight, and full bodied.. As a reminder, the DT48e are geared more towards music.. The DT48a is more of a scientific instrument.. But it has reference level technical merits.
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