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post #61 of 270
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Originally Posted by fraseyboy View Post
My impressions from the "Rate the last movie you watched thread" because I cbf writing new ones:

"The visuals were amazing, yes. The attention to detail, the sheer immersion of the environment was incredible. I really did get lost in the world of Pandora. I have never seen 3D done so well before either. Sunbeams looked especially amazing, and there was always something going on that helped to make the world so believable. The facial animations too were top notch and they helped portray emotion on the animated characters faces.

As for the movie itself, not too bad either. Sure the story was rather predictable, but I didn't find myself thinking much about that since I was blown away by the rest of it. Even though it was formulaic, it was extremely well done. Certain scenes had a pretty big emotional effect on me and I even found myself thinking about the morals of what was happening. Battle scenes were suitable intense and epic, as to be expected.

One of the best films of the year for me."
I agree with everything youve said here
post #62 of 270
Generally, I do not have a problem with predictable plots, so basically I really enjoyed this movie (movies that have no plot at all are the ones that bother me). I saw it in IMAX 3D, but unfortunately 3D glasses still give me the dizzies so I will definitely see it again, but hopefully in 2D this time. Call me cheesy, but I will admit that I got pretty emotionally into the movie, and on top of that, the effects were great, so it was definitely a winner in my book. I can, however, see how this may not be everybody's cup of tea.
post #63 of 270
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Originally Posted by ksu06 View Post
Call me cheesy, but I will admit that I got pretty emotionally into the movie
So did I! At one point I almost cried and was thankful that I was wearing big dimmed 3D glasses :/
post #64 of 270
No brain required. That's how I felt. Insulted my intelligence or what was left of it at the end.
post #65 of 270
My thought to all you complaining about it.. Lets see you do better.

Contrary to some opinions, making a movie is a monumental undertaking. One of this kind of complexity, even more so.

I'd like to see what you guys could come up with. Clearly we have a bunch of auteurs on the forum.

post #66 of 270
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Originally Posted by fenixdown110 View Post
No brain required. That's how I felt. Insulted my intelligence or what was left of it at the end.
Thats not the point of this movie though... Its a sit back and relax type of film, not a what happened whodunnit type
post #67 of 270
Though I despise Zemeckis' movies' looks, I love AVATAR.

The movie is heavily reliant on technology, but as a animator, I can guarantee you guys: the animators did a beautiful job and without heart, such a feat can't be achieved. In that way I feel they had a great deal of humanity involved in this movie, as much as the advanced technology itself. I think Cameron and his team managed to tame the huge beast that they had invented.

Personally I feel that the plot is generic, but I think Cameron intentionally do so to keep everyone interested- from moviegoers to casual audience and even kids. Of course with such a budget he would have to attract to everybody, but other than that, I think he really just wanted to deliver an enjoyable work for everybody. In fact, I think that in that way, he is being humble by avoiding science fiction heebie jeebies and heavy plot. The plot is not bad, just generic.
post #68 of 270
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Originally Posted by craiglester View Post
My thought to all you complaining about it.. Lets see you do better.

Contrary to some opinions, making a movie is a monumental undertaking. One of this kind of complexity, even more so.

I'd like to see what you guys could come up with. Clearly we have a bunch of auteurs on the forum.

so you're saying that we shouldn't be complaining that a presentation in a storytelling medium doesn't do a great job at telling a story?

i loved watching the movie... but the characters were flat and the plot was dumb.

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Originally Posted by aragornmustdie
Personally I feel that the plot is generic, but I think Cameron intentionally do so to keep everyone interested- from moviegoers to casual audience and even kids. Of course with such a budget he would have to attract to everybody, but other than that, I think he really just wanted to deliver an enjoyable work for everybody. In fact, I think that in that way, he is being humble by avoiding science fiction heebie jeebies and heavy plot. The plot is not bad, just generic.
that's kind of a copout. Pixar is constantly on the cutting edge of technology, and spends years crafting their films. and they put as much care and love into simply telling a good story with dynamic characters and enthralling dialogue as they do into the animation itself.

personally, i can't wait until a Pixar alumnus gets their hands on the technology, because they know how to tell a story.
post #69 of 270
Pixar's great. But in recent years I felt that they had gradually lost it... rewatching Toy Story and The Incredibles, in particular, made me realize that their storytelling used to be better.
post #70 of 270
I've yet to see a Pixar movie that attempts to animate a realistic rendition of a living creature. It's all very stylized, not a great deal of verisimilitude. I felt a lot more immersion in the story than I have in any Pixar movie. Yes, some of the dialogue could have been better, some of the charaterization was a little generic, but when you're dealing with such fantastical stories, you're usually better served by generalizing a little, rather than lose the audience in minutae. It is after all a sci fi film, not a documentary.

On a side note.. be sure to watch the 7 part Phantom menace review on you tube.. now that's a movie that deserved to be ripped to pieces
post #71 of 270
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Originally Posted by craiglester View Post
My thought to all you complaining about it.. Lets see you do better.

Contrary to some opinions, making a movie is a monumental undertaking. One of this kind of complexity, even more so.

I'd like to see what you guys could come up with. Clearly we have a bunch of auteurs on the forum.

I respectfully disagree. I didn't like this movie, and I think I have a valid opinion whether or not I make movies for a living.

I couldn't design a set of headphones either, doesn't stop all of us from critiquing them all the time.

Cameron is an amazing filmmaker. He's proved that time and again. Doesn't mean I have to like all his movies.

The first movies ever shown publicly were things like trains moving and boats on water, or street scenes shot randomly in New York. The technology was amazing enough back then, the art of story craft and whatnot were unnecessary back then. The illusion of moving 2d images were enough for audiences.

It seems to me that Cameron has done something similar, giving amazing visuals and effects, spectacle instead of a great story, deep insight, or a unique point of view.

We are his audience. He wanted us to watch it. He hoped we'd like it. Some of us did, some of us didn't.
post #72 of 270
I just watched a clip of Avatar on rotten tomatoes.
The CG physics were FAIL, I had to stop watchin it after 1 min 30.
There's no way I'm seeing it now.
post #73 of 270
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Originally Posted by johnwmclean View Post
I've seen it twice now... those people saying that the story lines a cliche I do not agree with at all. Taking subject matter taken into consideration what does one expect - Shakespeare? Get real...
There are only so many stories told on this planet.

Yes, the scope of human experience is broad, but in truth there are only several stories that get told over and over, and deviations from these archetypes are generally made on the fringe and rarely gain popularity.

Several scholars believe that there are around 160 root stories in the human lexicon. Most would argue that there hasn't been an original story that gained broad popularity in the past several centuries.

Avatar is a Noble Savage story. There are many thousands of these, mostly alike. Draw parallels with the Pocahantas story, or Dances with Wolves.

When an archetype has been done to death, and the trueness of the archetype is highly questionable, we call it cliched. The noble savage story is one of these.

The thing about shakespeare wasn't that he was original - it was that he was good at it. He had the same set of archetypes as everyone else, he just applied himself to them with great skill.

This movie is about visuals. The story is an afterthought, and it shows, in spades.

District 9 is also a noble savage story - but told way better.
post #74 of 270
So you did go see it then ericj?
post #75 of 270
Nope. Just read enough reviews to understand that i am not part of it's target market.
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