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post #121 of 270
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Originally Posted by oqvist View Post
Yes the standard is cut out. Hope it doesn´t mean I have to buy new expensive true 120 hertz lcd tvs to enjoy it. Most LCD TVs with 120hz are not really 120hz they are just doubling images and the real once costs like nothing else

As for player the PS 3 is promised to be updated for 3D support so home free on that front anyway.

As for 3D a gimmick. Yes everything that actually enhance immersion can be seen as a gimmick. Sound is not needed to tell a story you can use subtitles. Visuals black and white is just fine. You can tell a story in 2D in stop motion as well .

It all depends on the execution but surely the technique is good enough to add more then it ev takes away.
Agree. It is how you use the tools that matters.
3D is here to stay. All major studios have committed to it even though the technology is not yet perfected. Avatar is in the forefront of it. Much of the cg work was done in Weta (Peter Jackson's company). Another 3D film I saw recently was A Christmas Carol. That was a Dicken's story told with motion capture in 3D(!) and I enjoyed it very much(after I got past the dead eyes and stiff facial expressions.).
Apart from Avatar, the most impressive 3D film I have seen was U2 3D. It was amazing. The integration of visual element and sound really worked well.
As for 3d at home, you will need a special set to do it properly. I understand that it is also in a development stage so I wouldn't rush for anything that is out there at the moment. People who are working on that are well aware of how sensitive general public are when it comes to pricing. The goal is to set the price of a 3D set similar to a non 3d one eventually. Looks like it won't happen for the next couple of years.
post #122 of 270
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I think actual science scares Hollywood, as to little of their target audience is scientifically inclined ( or educated?) these days. Seems all "sci-fi" these days ends up being a shoot out in the end. (e.g Transformers, District 9, Avatar etc..). I'd rather have some nice ambiguous endings, I like to think for myself.
The best science fiction film of the last ten years is Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, and I'm sure most people wouldn't even think of it as science fiction because there aren't spaceships or laser guns in it.
post #123 of 270
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Originally Posted by Bender Rodriguez View Post
The best science fiction film of the last ten years is Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, and I'm sure most people wouldn't even think of it as science fiction because there aren't spaceships or laser guns in it.
A great film indeed!
Very creative with the non linear story telling.I like the performances from Jim Carrey and Kate Winslet too.
post #124 of 270
120hz tvs are also very overrated IMO. Please don't fall into the hype.
post #125 of 270
Nah tvs with good implementation is a big step over 60 hertz displays... smoother pannings and better depth perception main advantages.

This is one standard that needs to be fixed for movies. The 25 fps lock just stinks 2009!...
wonder if 3D will allow this old standard to finally die? Or is it just me that are annoyed by bad pannings in movies where they haven´t managed to hide it with tons of aliasing and motion blur?
post #126 of 270
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Originally Posted by Bender Rodriguez View Post
The best science fiction film of the last ten years is Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, and I'm sure most people wouldn't even think of it as science fiction because there aren't spaceships or laser guns in it.
What version of the movie to you have?? There are plenty of laser guns on the Special Edition DVD...
post #127 of 270
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Well,
I have to say this is one of the best movies I have ever seen. There was an intimacy that I did not know could be made with such style. I do not like animated movies. The previews led me to think this would be different than an animated movie. Wow, what an undertaking. How could a picture of this type even be made? It had everything that has been in movies from the last 30 years. It then makes a groundbreaking multi million level leap of artistic freedom into what could be possible with the use of computers. Let us say one word here, detail! Will movies be like this from now on? Cost will be inhibitory, so maybe not. You will see other Avatar cheepo knockoffs along with 2 million toys and games. We should see a Star Wars like merchandise wave!


What could I even say to not be happy with such a brilliant piece of film? Maybe it is not for everyone. Some people do not like things so far from reality in look. I saw it in real 3D. As ideas for the inspiration seemed to total the entire history of story telling. We then have things brought into a total other alternate reality where there is no limit to at what level the story is told. We have a piece of art here which flows at a high free level innovating and charging into a statement never made before. The characters were great, but it did take a while to get landed into what these cyber cartoons are? They do not act like real humans but have a range of motion that makes humans look like snails. So after you see it you make the call. There was a new in game level of effects along with a post new age soundtrack that left me waiting for a pan flute orchestration straight out of 1993. Typically characters like these annoy me to no end with their squeaky voice and over accentuated motor reflexes, Star Wars 1 anyone? This movie had me waiting for the silent disdain which always comes from cheesy fantasy. It never happened? I guess it bypassed the fantasy potholes of many epics running along the road of after midnight science fiction. Let us not hope too soon as this is classic science fiction in it's purest of form and purpose.


I feel that every aspect was well done and I was never bored in the movie. It had pace and consistency combined with a whole new look being a major new achievement in modern cinema. XBox and Computer games will now forever be looked at with a new level of jaded eyes knowing a new computer world has them beat hands down forever and ever. Maybe?




Scale On a sale of 1-10

3D effects..... 10
Animals/Conceptual Art..... 10
Computer Actors..... 8
Effects..... 10
Soundtrack..... 10
Story..... 10
Attention To Detail..... 15
Color..... 17


This thing is off the charts!
post #128 of 270
FYI for those interested, Variety launched an interactive page that is concerned with the people and tech involved in the making of Avatar:

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post #129 of 270
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Originally Posted by oqvist View Post
Nah tvs with good implementation is a big step over 60 hertz displays... smoother pannings and better depth perception main advantages.

This is one standard that needs to be fixed for movies. The 25 fps lock just stinks 2009!...
wonder if 3D will allow this old standard to finally die? Or is it just me that are annoyed by bad pannings in movies where they haven´t managed to hide it with tons of aliasing and motion blur?
Actually 24 frame/second is the sound film standard. The silent films were running at 16fr/s(some people do question that). Even today film industry still counts "footage" at 16fr/foot. 25f/s is only used on PAL and SECAM(TV). NTSC runs at about 30fr/s (hence the 3:2 pulldown). 3D has nothing to do with that. The fact that there is motion blur in live action though, is indeed because 24 frame per second is not fast enough to capture most of the fast movement. It is interesting to know that motion blur on computer generated images is actually added artificially. Without that, the movement would look harsh and sometimes jerky.
post #130 of 270
Yes I know it´s different things... I just like to went my frustration with the 24 fps limitation

But as for 3D the refresh rate gets even more important since it with most 3d solutions is cut 50/50 for left/right eye.
post #131 of 270
No doubt there will be more advancement in technology in the near future. Maybe one day we will get to see 3D without glasses.

By the way, Merry Christmas everyone!
post #132 of 270
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Originally Posted by TopPop View Post
What version of the movie to you have?? There are plenty of laser guns on the Special Edition DVD...
Is that the same version where Frodo flies the Aluminum Falcon into Mount Doom?
post #133 of 270
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Originally Posted by tintin47 View Post
Just saw it last night. Great movie, and the best blockbuster in quite a while. Predictable plot and cringe-worthy dialogue, but very entertaining and quite a spectacle. This movie also made me a 100% believer that 3-d can be more than a gimmick. I really thought that the 3d added to the film and to my enjoyment, but I wasn't constantly thinking "whoa! 3-D!". It just made me more immersed. Too bad other films havent taken it to this level yet.

I think a lot of people are responding to this movie so strongly because they havent seen the recent advances in 3D. I heard adults walking out of the theater after seeing Avatar saying "That's the greatest 3D movie I've ever seen!" That's exactly what I said when I came out of the kids movie "Bolt" a year or two ago. As a dad, I've had to go see every animated movie thats come out in 3D (Bolt, Monsters Vs. Aliens, Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs, etc) so I'm sure alot of the "awe" people are experiencing is seening the latest 3D technology. which is much better than the Red/Blue glasses and Imax 3D (which still gives me a headache). However, even the latest 3D still feels a little like watching a movie through cheap sunglasses to me. Anyone else. I honestly thought the best of the recent crop of 3D movies was "Bolt" - absolutely crisp and stunning 3D. I think purely computer animated 3D can just be more precise. But again, once the glow of the spectacle fade, the story in Avatar (as someone noted "the noble savage" theme) is really so tired, something I felt I've seen over and over again. Come on. The greedy "company man" the "mad general" "Pocahontas" the "you'll never be part of this tribe, outsider" character. Eeech, Cliche city.
post #134 of 270
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Originally Posted by chadbang View Post
I think a lot of people are responding to this movie so strongly because they havent seen the recent advances in 3D. I heard adults walking out of the theater after seeing Avatar saying "That's the greatest 3D movie I've ever seen!" That's exactly what I said when I came out of the kids movie "Bolt" a year or two ago. As a dad, I've had to go see every animated movie thats come out in 3D (Bolt, Monsters Vs. Aliens, Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs, etc) so I'm sure alot of the "awe" people are experiencing is seening the latest 3D technology. which is much better than the Red/Blue glasses and Imax 3D (which still gives me a headache). However, even the latest 3D still feels a little like watching a movie through cheap sunglasses to me. Anyone else. I honestly thought the best of the recent crop of 3D movies was "Bolt" - absolutely crisp and stunning 3D. I think purely computer animated 3D can just be more precise. But again, once the glow of the spectacle fade, the story in Avatar (as someone noted "the noble savage" theme) is really so tired, something I felt I've seen over and over again. Come on. The greedy "company man" the "mad general" "Pocahontas" the "you'll never be part of this tribe, outsider" character. Eeech, Cliche city.
i'm with you on that, 98%. i did feel like the 3D and CGI were incredibly well implemented in AVATAR, and i did enjoy that part a lot... but i've been to see all those animated 3D movies as well, with my son.

i think that's why, when the lights came up after AVATAR, he said to me "DAAAAD, that was not 'brand new technology' like you told me." one 7 year old that James Cameron did not impress.
post #135 of 270
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Originally Posted by Bender Rodriguez View Post
Is that the same version where Frodo flies the Aluminum Falcon into Mount Doom?
Oh, I see what you did there...

"And who's going to give me a loan, jackhole, you?... You got an ATM on that torso Lite-Brite?"
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