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post #136 of 892
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Originally Posted by Hellenback View Post
HA have you tried the new Gen DAC cable that uses the same chip as the Pico?
No, sorry.
post #137 of 892
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Originally Posted by HeadphoneAddict View Post
No, sorry.
If you like(d) the other one you really should try/review the new one as IMO it's in a different league.
post #138 of 892
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Originally Posted by Hellenback View Post
If you like(d) the other one you really should try/review the new one as IMO it's in a different league.
I did look over this at the Headstage website a while back, but I am overflowing in budget < $400 DACs right now = Creative X-fi, PenguinAmp DAC cable, Super Pro DAC707, uDAC, iBasso D4 and D10, Pico DAC, and Headroom Micro DAC. Plus all the DAC/amp combos that don't have line out...
post #139 of 892
I've been mulling over which amp to buy to use with a set of PFE's I just bought, and I've narrowed it down to either the Arrow or the iBasso T3D. I think the Arrow offers a lot for the money, and I think is a better value than the T3D both short term and long term.

What I'm wondering though is I might occasionally use the Arrow to drive my HD650's, and would the 7C have enough power to drive them? I'm not sure if the extra $50 is worth it for the 12HE if it's something I'm only going to do occasionally since my Audio GD Compass within reach. The extended battery life is also not of great concern since I rarely travel, and my usage would only be an hour or two a day while I'm washing dishes or lying in bed before I go to sleep. I'm sort of answering my own question, but I think I'd rather put the $50 towards something like a Double Helix Cable for my HD650's.
post #140 of 892
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Originally Posted by HeadphoneAddict View Post
I did look over this at the Headstage website a while back, but I am overflowing in budget < $400 DACs right now = Creative X-fi, PenguinAmp DAC cable, Super Pro DAC707, uDAC, iBasso D4 and D10, Pico DAC, and Headroom Micro DAC. Plus all the DAC/amp combos that don't have line out...
Hi HPA, of those listed, which is the best in your opinion? Thanks!
post #141 of 892
nevermind.
post #142 of 892
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Originally Posted by HeadphoneAddict View Post
I did look over this at the Headstage website a while back, but I am overflowing in budget < $400 DACs right now = Creative X-fi, PenguinAmp DAC cable, Super Pro DAC707, uDAC, iBasso D4 and D10, Pico DAC, and Headroom Micro DAC. Plus all the DAC/amp combos that don't have line out...
Have you tried the arrow amp ? Is it better than D4/D10 ?
Thanks @HeadphoneAddict
post #143 of 892
Would still like to know how much of an upgrade the arrow is over my caffine ultra or the lyrix given its using the same op amp ,but im geting very interested in this amp knowing how good Robert Gehrkes products are (and his customer service) but wouldnt want to pay extra for just the features
post #144 of 892
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Originally Posted by Gridlinked View Post
I've been mulling over which amp to buy to use with a set of PFE's I just bought, and I've narrowed it down to either the Arrow or the iBasso T3D. I think the Arrow offers a lot for the money, and I think is a better value than the T3D both short term and long term.

What I'm wondering though is I might occasionally use the Arrow to drive my HD650's, and would the 7C have enough power to drive them? I'm not sure if the extra $50 is worth it for the 12HE if it's something I'm only going to do occasionally since my Audio GD Compass within reach. The extended battery life is also not of great concern since I rarely travel, and my usage would only be an hour or two a day while I'm washing dishes or lying in bed before I go to sleep. I'm sort of answering my own question, but I think I'd rather put the $50 towards something like a Double Helix Cable for my HD650's.
Someone in this thread said that Mr Gehrke himself uses his Arrow w/ his Senns HD600 or HD650, don't remember...

@ grokit: both these versions are new, actually the standard version was put up for sale later on...
post #145 of 892
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Originally Posted by Antony L View Post
Would still like to know how much of an upgrade the arrow is over my caffine ultra or the lyrix given its using the same op amp ,but im geting very interested in this amp knowing how good Robert Gehrkes products are (and his customer service) but wouldnt want to pay extra for just the features

I asked Robert this same question a few weeks ago and his response was " The bass boost is a little more heavy on the Arrow and the gain is a bit higher (in the highest position). Because of the higher internal voltage in the Arrow (12V) you will also get more volume or better bass response without distortion. Besides this the sound quality is almost the same…you would get better sound quality if you bias the opamps into class-A or add more buffers but this consumes too much current for a portable amp. " I hope this answers some of your questions. For me it was worth it and my new Arrow has been shipped as of Friday..
post #146 of 892
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Originally Posted by Trapper32 View Post
I asked Robert this same question a few weeks ago and his response was " The bass boost is a little more heavy on the Arrow and the gain is a bit higher (in the highest position). Because of the higher internal voltage in the Arrow (12V) you will also get more volume or better bass response without distortion. Besides this the sound quality is almost the same…you would get better sound quality if you bias the opamps into class-A or add more buffers but this consumes too much current for a portable amp. " I hope this answers some of your questions. For me it was worth it and my new Arrow has been shipped as of Friday..
Now that would be a great switch to have...class-A

Especially if the amp could be powered by USB power!
post #147 of 892
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I'm sort of answering my own question
It's impossible to know when/where the less/more voltage is kicking in but I got the HE because I use 650s until I can afford to buy a better desktop. I've listened to the Compass quite a bit (and it's on my short list). If I had already had one I might have tried the 7.5 volt volt Arrow. (I also thought that with all the adjustments there might be quite a variation in optimum voltage with different settings/HPs but don't know enough about electronics to be sure of this.)
post #148 of 892
does anyone think that the 12HE may not have as good SQ as the 7C because of the voltage regulator? i mean, doesn't the fact that there is an extra piece of electronic equipment in there mean there's a chance of noise distortion or interference? i'm sure that steps have been taken to minimize this interference as much as possible, but the matter of fact is the source of interference is still going to be there...
post #149 of 892
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Originally Posted by Trapper32 View Post
I asked Robert this same question a few weeks ago and his response was " The bass boost is a little more heavy on the Arrow and the gain is a bit higher (in the highest position). Because of the higher internal voltage in the Arrow (12V) you will also get more volume or better bass response without distortion. Besides this the sound quality is almost the same…you would get better sound quality if you bias the opamps into class-A or add more buffers but this consumes too much current for a portable amp. " I hope this answers some of your questions. For me it was worth it and my new Arrow has been shipped as of Friday..
many thanks for that reply ,that does answer my questions
post #150 of 892
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Originally Posted by HeadphoneAddict View Post
I did look over this at the Headstage website a while back, but I am overflowing in budget < $400 DACs right now = Creative X-fi, PenguinAmp DAC cable, Super Pro DAC707 || uDAC, iBasso D4 and D10, Pico DAC, and Headroom Micro DAC. Plus all the DAC/amp combos that don't have line out...
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Hi HPA, of those listed, which is the best in your opinion? Thanks!
It varies depending on input, with USB the performance is different in some of these vs their optical input performance. Some are very close, so I hate to say which is best in absolute terms. For USB input I would put a dividing line between the Super Pro and uDAC in my list above, where to the right of the dividing line they are all very good with USB (to the left of the divider the Penguin and Super pro beat the Behringer are are not bad). I drew a line in my quote above.

The uDAC sound signature is slightly different from the remaining four, and via RCA out it's highs are very slightly rounded and it's a little warmer and slightly more forward sounding - with a rich warm very musical sound, but just as much detail and good imaging as the others. The other 4 via USB have a very similar "just to the warm side of neutral" sound signature, with the D10 USB being very very slightly less detailed than the others. The Pico DAC seems to have a little more depth and space when feeding a nice full size amp, that isn't heard as easily when feeding portable amps.

So, the Pico DAC is the one I use the most to feed my ALO Amphora via Macbook Pro. The uDAC I use second most, to feed an eXStatA electrostatic amp with my Jade and SR-Lambda phones. Both of these DAC's have a nice strong output level for feeding low gain amps. If I didn't have the Pico DAC I would be using the D4 to feed the Amphora, but the D4 (and D10) line out volume is lower than the Pico output levels and I get lower max volume levels with the HE-5 and HD600 using the D4 as my DAC.

Via optical the D10 seems to be as good as the Micro DAC optical, and they seem to rival that of the Pico via USB, but I think optical is more detailed with 24/96 native files via optical input. The Super Pro via optical is close to these but only when using my Sigma 11 PSU, while it can be slightly edgy or rough with the stock cheap switching PSU. I use the HR Micro DAC as my bedside optical DAC, since it matches my Micro Amp and the output levels are higher than the D10.

They key to deciding which is the absolute best would be if I actually spent a good amount of time with each one feeding my high-end rig, and then trying to decide which is really better after long term listening with each DAC. But I haven't felt like doing that. Most of their DAC use has been with portable amps.
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