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Millet Hybrid problems

post #1 of 22
Thread Starter 
Trying to troubleshoot a millet hybrid. When all is plugged in there is only output into the left channel. Bias for tubes was adjusted and corrected. Continuity in the RCA input jacks was tested and is fine. I don't know too much about circuitry so that's about as far as I was able to go.

I am wondering if there is a problem in the potentiometer. I have the picture of the potentiometer below. Just guessing there might be an issue here because the left and right input seem to go into the potentiometer and then goes off into the remainder of the board. Please help thanks.

post #2 of 22
I'm confused as well. It looks like there are two potentiometers installed. Those smaller pads to the left were for the Panasonic EVJ volume pot, while the six pads spaced out into a rectangle to the right were for the RK27. What's going on above this stuff?

Secondly, did you just build this yourself? If so, there's a grounding error on the board that needs fixing. While it will have a pronounced effect on both channels, it's possible that the effect would combine to mess up the sound in just one. Refer to this diagram for the board fixes if that hasn't already been done:
DIYForums.org • View topic - Millet Boards: New Revs Fixes and Tweaks

We need some pics of the whole board, especially above that pot area.
post #3 of 22
Thread Starter 
what is the grounding error you are talking about? i don't have much DIY experience outside of simple cable making so i am not sure how to follow the board.

here's a picture of the whole underside of the board.. i didn't build this.. just trying to fix it for my brother who bought it from another head-fi member here.

any help would be greatly appreciated. thanks!

post #4 of 22
Well, I still don't know what's going on with those dual pot pads that are both filled. Without seeing the top of the board except for the pot shaft, I'd have to guess that the guy had a Panasonic EVJ installed originally and simply snipped it off, then installed an RK27.

The board is the later version that has the grounding issue. It doesn't look like any attempt was made to ground the terminal block whose pins appear in the upper right corner of your photo. That would be the first step. Scrape some of the green mask off of the adjacent ground plane and solder a wire from the center pin to the scraped area.

EDIT: On second thought, that's what that one black wire is that is going from the switch pads to the input diode - grounding.

So, if that's OK - give us a pic of the top. There's nothing on the bottom that would be out of the ordinary - except those pot pins.
post #5 of 22
Thread Starter 
actually, i don't think there is any grounding... that picture just makes it look like the black wire goes to the input diode. that black wire is only connected to the two terminals and the switch

also, i snapped some pictures from the top.





post #6 of 22
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by tomb View Post
The board is the later version that has the grounding issue. It doesn't look like any attempt was made to ground the terminal block whose pins appear in the upper right corner of your photo. That would be the first step. Scrape some of the green mask off of the adjacent ground plane and solder a wire from the center pin to the scraped area.
are you sure it's the center pin and not the bottom pin? that's what the top indicates is the ground, the bottom, not the center pin. thanks
post #7 of 22
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Originally Posted by bik2101 View Post
are you sure it's the center pin and not the bottom pin? that's what the top indicates is the ground, the bottom, not the center pin. thanks
It varies depending on which terminal block on the board you're referring to, if I remember.

As for the black wire - yes, upon further reflection, it wouldn't have anything to do with the signal input terminal block, would it? Sorry about that.

So - yeah, you need to ground the ground pin on the signal input terminal block to the ground plane on the board. As I said, the simplest way to do this is just to scrape the mask to the side of the ground pin, then either solder a small jumper from the pin to the scraped area, or bend the pin over to the scraped area and solder it (assuming the pin is long enough).

You are correct - the ground pin on that terminal block is the one to the inside of the PCB.

Looks like the same one we were looking at over in the amp section, right? This is the one with the weird grounding arrangement on the back plate. I don't know how they expected it to work that way. What's the second set of inputs for (the ones with the resistors)?

As for the black wire on the diode pad on the bottom. It looks like the guy burned the pad up on the switch blocks on top - there's one pad empty on the area marked "SWITCH."

I still can't see that front area around the pot - that's where the double pins are that are showing on the bottom.

So you say the tube bias checks out on both tubes?

EDIT: Sorry, that's a bit of rambling, but I can't see anything that would be causing your problem except that funky grounding arrangment in back and the possible pot screw-up in front.
post #8 of 22
Thread Starter 
yeah this is the same one from the amp section. that second set of inputs is not inputs, they are outputs.

the empty pad actually has wire soldered from the bottom to the power switch. and the pad that you see wires coming from is soldered to the power jack.

the tube bias was adjusted but that still did not solve the issue. i will try the grounding and hope that fixes it. if not, i will also take a picture of the front pot and post that up to see if any problems can be found there.

EDIT: the inputs with the resistors are the inputs.. the first set of RCA's without resistors are the output.
post #9 of 22
Actually, the ones with the resistors are the inputs. Strange - we use input resistors on the Starving Student, but I haven't heard of anyone doing it before then.
post #10 of 22
Thread Starter 
so the grounding had no effect. so i'm trying to take a picture of the pot in the front, but not really sure exactly what you want to see.. tough to really see anything as the pot is soldered pretty close to the board. i took this picture.. hope it helps. if not let me know what exactly you are trying to see. thanks.

post #11 of 22
It confirms what I suspected - there was a Panasonic EVJ initially installed. The builder simply snipped the leads, removed the pot, and installed the Alps RK27 on the other pads. He left the snipped leads in there. I don't think there's anything wrong with the pot area.

That headphone jack installation is pretty weird - more so than the grounding scheme in back.

I'm at a loss if you say you've biased the tubes. Both of them light when you turn it on? If not, then that would cause the problem.

It's possible that one of the OPA551's has burned out. Have you tried switching them to see if that has any effect?
post #12 of 22
Thread Starter 
okay. thanks. well i don't think there's any issue with the headphone jack because i checked that out. if that was the issue then the RCA outputs should work properly but they also only have left output. therefore, there must be something else going on. i will check the op amps and see if that does the fix. btw if it turns out that the opamps are the problem, where would i be able to buy them from? oh and your question for the tubes - they do both light up and they both have been biased correctly to 12V (using a 24V power) thanks.

EDIT: question, do the op amps just come off? or are they soldered on?
post #13 of 22
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Originally Posted by bik2101 View Post
okay. thanks. well i don't think there's any issue with the headphone jack because i checked that out. if that was the issue then the RCA outputs should work properly but they also only have left output. therefore, there must be something else going on. i will check the op amps and see if that does the fix. btw if it turns out that the opamps are the problem, where would i be able to buy them from? oh and your question for the tubes - they do both light up and they both have been biased correctly to 12V (using a 24V power) thanks.

EDIT: question, do the op amps just come off? or are they soldered on?
They're plugged into what's known as DIP-sockets. Simply grasp them between your thumb and forefinger lengthwise and wiggle back and forth slightly as you pull up. They should come right out.

If that's not it, then I would recommend re-wiring that whole backplate. Seriously, there's not a whole lot that can go wrong on the PCB - wrong part, bad soldering, etc., but I think we can dismiss both.
post #14 of 22
Thread Starter 
okay cool... i'm gonna try that when i get home today then. i'm really hoping thats the problem here because that will be a very simple fix. just gonna have to find/buy another one. thanks again for all your help so far!
post #15 of 22
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Originally Posted by bik2101 View Post
okay cool... i'm gonna try that when i get home today then. i'm really hoping thats the problem here because that will be a very simple fix. just gonna have to find/buy another one. thanks again for all your help so far!
When you go switching the opamps around, note that the notch on the end goes on the same side as the notch in the DIP-socket. The notch is also drawn into the PCB silkscreen.
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