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post #16 of 24
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Originally Posted by qusp View Post
yep, higher capacitance and voltage rating in power supply reservoir caps is more than ok, in most cases its actually preferred and often somewhere to start if you were going to upgrade a power supply.
This is largely true for linear supplies but generally not true for switching supplies, where the resonances and ESRs of the capacitors can play a major factor in the performance of the supply - a bigger cap could upset the balance and make it perform worse.

Similarly, there are a lot of arguments wrt whether a linear regulator should be immediately followed by a large reservoir cap that will ultimately swamp the performance of the regultor, or by a small cap that will allow the regulator to do it's thing the way it was designed to.

There are pros and cons for both.

If this is a linear supply, and you can trace it out and guess at the load, you can simulate it in Duncan Amps free power supply simulator, and that will give you a pretty good idea of what your component changes will do.

Oh, and there's a lot of talk about capacitors here, but it's just as likely that a resistor has quietly fused - which may just make it look brownish on the outside - or a transistor has gone out.

But yes, if you can replace every component on the board for $6 from mouser, go for it.
post #17 of 24
Thread Starter 
Guess I'll try to replace the components since I'll have some time in the coming weeks. Knowing my luck though I bet I'll just be wasting my time.

Can I use slightly higher values for the little caps also?
post #18 of 24
Smaller caps are likely to be filter caps chosen for a particular filtering job. Stick with the same value.
post #19 of 24
Consider troubleshooting it for the fun of it. Judging from the parts on the board, the circuit is pretty much standard for an LM 317, so you can find data sheets and schematics easily. Assuming you've never done this before.... First figure out what the circuit does. Then...

See my previous post regarding the transformer testing for ideas on how you'd go about troubleshooting this circuit as a black box. One hint... Compare what happens over time with the circuit as is vs with the output capacitor desoldered. Also, ask yourself if it make sense to check the resistance of a resistor (or the value of any part) while it's in the circuit? When powered or not? If you think it's okay, how would you do either or both?

I really hate to be trite, but this is an opportunity.
post #20 of 24
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Originally Posted by ericj View Post
There are pros and cons for both.
And you don't want to put in so much capacitance that inrush current is really high.

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What sort of price are you looking at for one of these amps? And they don't even bother to clean off the flux?
post #21 of 24
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Beefy View Post
And you don't want to put in so much capacitance that inrush current is really high.

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What sort of price are you looking at for one of these amps? And they don't even bother to clean off the flux?
Not much, it's a pretty basic amp and old. It's supposed to be an upgrade over the OBH-11 (it's the SE version), but then again, it's still a Creek. When it worked I thought it sounded pretty darn decent though
post #22 of 24
Thread Starter 
Woohoo, good news! I replaced the all the capacitors and the transistor (as mentioned) with equivalent stuff I had laying around and it seems to work now. Thanks for the help everyone
post #23 of 24
I'm glad you got it working, but I'm kind of disappointed that you didn't troubleshoot it. This seems like the perfect circuit to learn troubleshooting. It's got me thinking about how to break parts without it showing. I mean, if anyone's interested in learning... a couple of parts out of spec that made the circuit fail the way yours did, or in some other way... it would make a great project to learn from.

I went through the useful things you could learn from something like this.
  • Tracking down data sheets & learning how each part works
  • Understanding the circuit
  • Matching the schematic to the circuit board
  • Figuring out how the parts work together to form sub-circuits
  • Finding the key points to measure to track down problems
  • Playing "what if" thinking through what happens when a part fails

I'm wondering if there are any kits out there designed to do this. I've only seen broken circuit boards meant to learn how to do repairs of traces and broken board. Barring a kit, how would you change the value of a resistor or capacitor or break a transistor?
post #24 of 24
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by SiBurning View Post
I'm glad you got it working, but I'm kind of disappointed that you didn't troubleshoot it. This seems like the perfect circuit to learn troubleshooting. It's got me thinking about how to break parts without it showing. I mean, if anyone's interested in learning... a couple of parts out of spec that made the circuit fail the way yours did, or in some other way... it would make a great project to learn from.

I went through the useful things you could learn from something like this.
  • Tracking down data sheets & learning how each part works
  • Understanding the circuit
  • Matching the schematic to the circuit board
  • Figuring out how the parts work together to form sub-circuits
  • Finding the key points to measure to track down problems
  • Playing "what if" thinking through what happens when a part fails

I'm wondering if there are any kits out there designed to do this. I've only seen broken circuit boards meant to learn how to do repairs of traces and broken board. Barring a kit, how would you change the value of a resistor or capacitor or break a transistor?
Thanks SiBurning. The main reason I didn't troubleshoot is because I've been extremely busy this week (finals week). I wasn't even going to bother trying to fix it until the break, but I found a box of components in my basement and was lucky enough to have some of them match what was in the PS. Once I have some time I will definitely experiment. Not to mention if the PS ever gives way again... which I fully expect to happen sooner than later
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