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post #46 of 63
I wish I knew that there was going to be a STAX amp there. I would have tossed my earspeakers in the car and come down there. I have a Stasis amp, that means it doesn't go anywhere. Hope to see you guys/gals next time.
post #47 of 63
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Metric Halo ULN-2 and TooleAudio Balanced M3
How was the output working on the ULN-2? I know it's difficult to compare DACses under meet conditions, but any other DAC comparos?
post #48 of 63
is that the cherry finish on the Zus in the dedicated room? It's great they were able to come out to the meet. I'm trying to figure out a way to hear a pair in the Bay Area. I know they have a 60 day trial, but I just want to see some in person before I think about placing an order.
post #49 of 63
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Originally Posted by Matro5 View Post
is that the cherry finish on the Zus in the dedicated room? It's great they were able to come out to the meet. I'm trying to figure out a way to hear a pair in the Bay Area. I know they have a 60 day trial, but I just want to see some in person before I think about placing an order.
Those are cherry. I just checked the Zu site to see if they were going to be in the Bay area but they don't have anything listed for the west coast.
post #50 of 63
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Originally Posted by jpelg View Post
How was the output working on the ULN-2? I know it's difficult to compare DACses under meet conditions, but any other DAC comparos?
I'm not really sure of your question about the output, Jimmy, but the ULN-2/Amarra into the Toole Audio balanced M3 was a great rig that produced wonderful sound. It was very nice with Jeff's woody HF-1s and even better with the HD800s sporting the Jaben Audio Crystal Cable. Very clean, very engaging sound at high resolution.
post #51 of 63
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i like this one.

I like haiku.

post #52 of 63
Ok, finally getting a little time to sit down and write up some impressions.

I'd like to start off by saying a big "Thank You!" to Mike and the Zu Crew. There were challenges which arose for each and they all came through at least relatively unscathed.

Had a blast at the meet and for the first time in my meet career I actually really sat down and listened to a good bit of gear. So, some light impressions.

HD800: still not won over by them. Just echoing many opinions of "sterile" or "does nothing wrong, but nothing great."
Qualia: One thing I noticed is that there should be no one on earth who wears a Large. I had it fully extended on my head with a small headband, and their fit was near perfect on my size 7 7/8 fitted-hat-wearing head. I think I'd need to spend a little time with them to really love them, but you could tell there was something there. Nevermind... they are CF for the headband and just gorgeous.
HE-5: Meh... not my cup o' tea. I'm just not a fan, but I do concede on the Cayin amp they really stepped their game up. Not sure if I listened off the Spud though. Out of the Luxman P-1 they were better as well, but there was still a glaring flaw that made them bothersome to listen to.
Grado HP-1: Exemplar 2900 -> Luxman P-1 -> Grado HP-1 was my fav rig of the meet. This was my first time with any of the Joe Grados and I'm hoping it won't be my last.
R10: Still very very good at some things, but falling short of the O2 in others. I just think you need to own both... *cough* Vicki *cough*
O2: You all know how good they are, but the O2 MkI needs to be blacker (physically, not audibly.
Pico Slim: I didn't really get a chance to listen to this this time around, but the build quality is top notch. The volume knob is my favorite volume control method of all the digital ultra-portables out right now.
Zu Essence speakers: I got about half an hour with these over their two setups. I heard a version of Coltrane's "My Favorite Things" playing and it actually took me away from the headphone rig area into the speaker rig area... this was after I had already spent some time with the speakers. That's a decent indicator of how they really grabbed my attention. I enjoyed the time I spent with the Zu, though I don't have as detailed and articulate impressions of them as I would have liked, and as some others have.

Continuing with this last bit, I really appreciate the guys in the Zu camp coming all the way from E. TN/Atlanta. I had a couple solid talks with them and even helped introduce the amp designer to O2s and R10s. I think he was impressed. Those guys are passionate about the music, and even oft times have live acousit music as part of their setup. They aren't just about the gear, they're about the music, which is greatly respected on this side of the keyboard.

I had a blast at the meet and pre-post game activities. I saw some old friends and made a couple new ones. I even got to finish up the weekend, as I will this post, with some live music from a "Jazz Brunch" that Alex (1117) scouted for us. Thanks bro.


**BRENT**
post #53 of 63
Looks like riverwalk on the new river, I canoe by there all the time, great place at times
post #54 of 63
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Originally Posted by Voltron View Post
I'm not really sure of your question about the output, Jimmy, but the ULN-2/Amarra into the Toole Audio balanced M3 was a great rig that produced wonderful sound.
When I heard Jeff's rig at the recent NY meet, the ULN-2 was outputing considerably lower than the Perfectwave that was also connected to the M3. Jeff acknowledged this, and that it was a result of it being brand-new & not configured completely. Still, the sound had a sweetness to it that I liked a lot, if that makes sense.

Given that John & Mike are big fans, as well as experienced ULN-2 users, I was just wondering if they might have lent a hand in changing the configuration. From your impressions, it sounds like it was working properly now.
post #55 of 63
Hi Jimmy, nothing was changed in the configs, the ULN-2 simply had a lower output level than the PerfectWave but if they are not both on the system for comparisons it does not really matter much.

There is a volume slider when you set up the ULN-2 and I had it set a bit below max so I could increase the output but it is not worth going through all the config stuff again to make it a little louder. I only use the ULN-2 as a firewire interface now so its output doesn't matter to me.

Now for my very late impressions.

I really enjoyed the Zu setup in the dedicated room as I spent several minutes in there in the morning. Those guys put in a lot of work to make the system sound good in that hotel room.

I tried the Pico Slim, TTVJ and ALO amps with my UE-11s. As far as construction goes I don't think there is much comparison as the Pico Slim is very well built, and in my opinion has far better fit and finish as well as graphics than the others. I actually enjoyed them all but the Slim proved to have better high end.

I can't say I found the HE-5 to be all that impressive. I remember listening to these at CanJam out of Fang's little tube amp and liking them more then but they have changed a lot since CJ.

It was really a great way to spend the weekend and I appreciate Mike letting all of us out of towners crash his meet. It was great seeing everyone again and meeting a few others.
post #56 of 63
Sorry about the late impressions folks, real life is catching up with me.

The Qualia actually turned out to be my favorite phone of the meet. Out of the exemplar modded 2900 and Vicki's extreme, the Qualia sounded great, I was enamored with that rig. I like the R10, but not in love with it. It sounds great, but I get caught on that IMO it hides some details.

I did some more testing with the HD800 mostly with an after-market cable. Out of 1117 (Alex's) Exemplar modded Denon 2900 and Luxman, I actually preferred the HD600. Its made songs sound fuller and the reverberation was there and more intoxicating. Out of the SP MPX3 using NightWoundsTime (Matt's) Denon turntable listening to Porcupine Tree (lightbulb sun album I think), the HD800 actually rocked, I mean rawked. Still not a phone I feel I "need-to-have", but it was awesome to see that it can get an attitude with the right equipment and I can see someone being really happy with that sound. Alex's HP series phones sounded great as well with the Luxman, I should have found more time with them.

HE-5 also could change its face pretty well. On the WA6 with power supply (forget what DAC, maybe Audio Aero Prima?), I did not find it to be all that great in highs or lows. On the Cayin, it became very romantic with a smooth lush bassy sound. On the SPUD and Adcom with cetoole's discrete output stage, it was balanced, fast and clean sounding. I didn't fall in love with them, though they were not bad phones.

Asr's Woo 22 setup with the AD2000 sounded good as well. I enjoyed listening to a few tracks, that is also a really nice looking amp.

I loved Gene's (agile_one) K1000 with the Accuphase sounded really great. Every time I hear these phones at meets, regardless of setup, I have really liked them. I need to get a pair.

I've heard Vicki's BHSE with the O2 before, they sound great. Interesting the difference that I and some others seemed to hear between the O2 mk1 and the O2 mk1BL. I assume it has to do with differences in the pad. I ended up preferring the brown O2 mk1 more, but I may be biased. :P The SR-404LE! Finally got to hear these, Steve (ASR) was nice enough to swing by with them. They are really good. I will not be trading my O2 mk1 for them, but I did enjoy listening to them. If I could get the LNS and 404LE at the same price, it would be a hard decision.

I listened to many other phones, HF-2, Lambda pro, etc. It was a great meet, the people are what make it even more special then the phones. Thank you so much to Mike and to all of team SoFla that made my weekend. It was great seeing people again and meeting others for the first time and I hope to see you all again in the future.
post #57 of 63
I thought I would provide better gear impressions. The earlier impressions can be disregarded if one wishes to do so, as they weren't intended to be entirely serious anyway. The below impressions, on the other hand, are serious, 100%.

HE5 orthos (amp: WA22, source: Ayre QB9): So apparently I listened to Wmcmanus' HE5s instead of cetoole's (cetoole's were reportedly burned-in). I wanted to check these out to find out if I could possibly toss my Qualia in favor of them, and I came away unsure. The HE5 sounded pretty dang good though and was also really comfortable too (reminded me of the Beyer DT880 in that aspect), but compared to the Qualia it wasn't quite what I was hoping for. That said, the pros that jumped out at me: fast, clear-sounding, a very "separated" sound that wasn't overly separated (closer to the HD800 than the Qualia IMO) and overall a very very good sound that's really not bad for its projected $600. I might end up buying one anyway at some point just to try it. I liked it more than the HD800. It certainly had more bass quantity than the HD800, and more treble quantity too. However, the bass wasn't entirely to my liking though I can't really put into words why. All I can say is that it's not my preferential AT AD2K-type bass. Not that the HE5 lacked in bass extension though, it was actually really good in that aspect and didn't disappoint me on reference tracks by The Crystal Method and Massive Attack. But the HE5's treble was a bit grainy on a few tracks - as in, sometimes cymbal strikes (and other sorts of sounds, including vocals) literally sounded like they were being "granularized" like sand. The HE5 is still a promising headphone, and I'd like to check it out further in my own system.

JH13: As I said before, the JH13 is really useful in a meet environment - since it isolates really well it can easily be used to monitor amps and even sources, and it scales well enough that it's actually useful for that too. On the Luxman P-1 it sounded very good with a wider soundstage than I've heard before and good strong bass output. The Luxman's gain was a bit high for them though. It also sounded good on the WA22 but less so - not quite as clear-sounding but there was more mid-range and mid-bass that made it sound more engaging. The machine hum that the JH13 picked up on the WA22 was pretty quiet but definitely noticeable - but not a distraction once music was playing.

Luxman P-1 (source: Exemplar/Denon 2900): I also tried out this amp with the Grado HP1000/HP2 and Senn HD800, both of which it seemed to do a fine job driving. I don't know if it's an ideal amp for either headphone though, I'd need more amp experience with both headphones. And the HD800 sounded better than previous HD800s I've heard with improved dynamics, clarity, and bass/treble strength, so I suspect the P-1 does something right.

Pico Slim: I did not listen to the Slim but I looked at it up-close and Justin has yet another outstanding product on his hands. SQ aside this thing is amazing - it's really thin and incredibly compact, more compact than a standard cell phone. I'm not sure I have an actual use for one myself since I have a Pico amp/DAC for my laptop and I prefer to listen from my MP3 player directly in ultraportable situations, but given the amp's digital attenuator I figured it couldn't hurt to try it when it comes out since my favorite headphones right now are all low-impedance.

Senn HD800 re-cabled w/ Crystal Cable (sources: Exemplar/Denon 2900 and Ayre QB-9): I tried this single-ended on 1117's setup (Exemplar + Luxman) and balanced on mine (Ayre + Woo WA22), with Crystal Cable on both (there was an extra Crystal balanced cable lying around). It sounded good on the Exemplar & Luxman setup and improved on the Ayre & Woo - the bass sounded more powerful and there was more body to the sound. There was a slight loss to the treble balance though. Between the two systems I preferred the Exemplar & Luxman. The more I listened to the HD800 it more it reminded me of my OII/BHSE in a few ways (I thought there were a few parallels between the two headphones) but at the same time it also pointed out to me how it wasn't the OII. In my experience at home, the OII more accurately depicts the size of a recording's soundstage, while the HD800 added an artificial soundstage to everything I played. The OII is also very smooth-sounding but at the same time exposes a surreal level of detail that's completely unforced - the HD800 wasn't quite as smooth-sounding and in a lot of ways it seemed to be forcing the detail that it's able to uncover instead of letting it naturally happen.

Also even in balanced mode the HD800 still lacked a degree of bass extension to my ears. I kept waiting for it to hit some ultra-low bass points on a few reference tracks by The Crystal Method but it never did. I swapped out with my balanced AT AD2000 just to make sure the lack of low bass wasn't from either the amp or source and was relieved that it was just from the HD800. And like the AD2K, the HE5 also had proper bass extension. The HD800 just plain didn't, I can't put it any other way. I completely didn't hear certain low bass notes on the HD800 that I was able to hear on both the AD2K and HE5.

Woo WA22: This amp is proving to be quite a capable performer - it did justice to the HP1000 and K701 at ChiUniFi 3, and at this meet it did justice to the AD2000 (I have plenty of amp experience with my AD2K by now) and it also seemed to do an effective job with the HD800. With the AD2000 there was no obvious lack of speed and the amp delivered plenty of knock-out mid-range, mid-bass, and lower bass. It more than met my expectations as far as electronica/trip-hop, prog rock, and metal. This was all with the 7236 power tubes though, I have no idea yet how the stock 6AS7 tubes might perform. I suspect this amp may also pair very well with the HD800 for those who like the HD800, though it might take some tube-rolling to achieve one's ideal sound.

Zu Essence: Many speakers I heard at this year's RMAF were not great. I know that placement and room acoustics plays a big part in how speakers sound though, so not all speakers can be instantly written off at an audio show especially when those two issues are the biggest detriments in any hotel environment, the SoFla meet included. So just because I thought the Zu Essence were actually really good doesn't mean they'll necessarily be as good in all setups - well actually, they should be even better when properly set up inside a home, given the setup issues at the meet. That said, even in the less-than-ideal setting, the Essence still belted out plenty of sound. The listening chairs were about 7' from the speakers and the speakers were also maybe 7' from each other. They threw a convincing soundstage though to me they didn't "disappear" quite as well as a pair of Monitor Audio RS8 that I heard last year, though they still disappeared well enough. They sustained volume properly with no audible distortion, and they carried enough mid-range power for a confident & assertive portrayal of a variety of rock music from the 70s (Steely Dan) and the 90s (Pearl Jam). I did have a few minor nitpicks but instead of sharing them I'll just say that the Essence is a fine pair of speakers and my nitpicks could very well be rectified by a change in either placement/layout, room acoustics, amplification, or source components, or all 4. (Plus I'm not sure they're valid nitpicks anyway given that I didn't get to hear more music on the Essence, and they have a ribbon tweeter too.)
post #58 of 63
Thanks for the impressions everyone - I've enjoyed following this thread.
post #59 of 63
Fantastic meet impressions. Thanks guys!
post #60 of 63
thanks all.... that's really a great meeting!!
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