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post #31 of 95
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Originally Posted by P4Z View Post
I have no idea what that's from iriverdude, but I'm gonna try and find that metal ipod. That's either clear or a sweet mirror finish, I'm guessing the latter.

*edit* Found it...$99 :O ...seems like an old one too. I don't like the idea of buying old tech.
uh? It's from Octopussy, the killer yo-yo man.
post #32 of 95
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Originally Posted by pyrokid View Post
And that's because most modern yoyos are unresponsive, meaning you can tug them up to the ceiling and they won't return. They need a bind. Or else a lot of the tricks we do would smack your hands, unless we did them super smoothly.
It's not that modern yo-yos are unresponsive: they are designed to generate long amounts of spin at the bottom of the string when thrown and require a very proper flick of the wrist to pull the yo yo back up the string (something I'm not good at with such yo-yo's)

My friend is at the intermediate level with yo-yo's and he broke them down into several categories for me:

Category 1:
These yo-yo's have a clutch system that is engaged only when the yo-yo is thrown down with proper force. The clutch allows free spin at the bottom of the string until it loses inertia and disengages the clutch allowing the yo-yo to return back to the hand.

Category 2:
Similar to the old-school yo-yo's, these yo-yo's require little more than a good throw to have the yo-yo return to your hand. They require a proper flick of the wrist to get the yo-yo to free spin at the bottom of the string instead of return and require a similarly well timed flick to pull the yo-yo back.

Category 3:
These yo-yo's are designed to free spin with little more than a regular throw. Getting them to return up the string to the hand is a bit more complex, and requires careful flick of the wrist to return.

Category 4:
Also referred to as off-string yo-yo's, these are designed to release from the string so that the user can perform complex string tricks and string bounces/acrobatics. Getting the yo-yo to spool the string back around its axle takes a lot more practice than I'm ready to put into it.

Based off of those categories that he broke them down into for me, I can only really work Category 1 and 2, and can modify Category 3 yo-yo's to behave like Category 2 yo-yo's.
post #33 of 95
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Originally Posted by appophylite View Post
It's not that modern yo-yos are unresponsive: they are designed to generate long amounts of spin at the bottom of the string when thrown and require a very proper flick of the wrist to pull the yo yo back up the string (something I'm not good at with such yo-yo's)

My friend is at the intermediate level with yo-yo's and he broke them down into several categories for me:

Category 1:
These yo-yo's have a clutch system that is engaged only when the yo-yo is thrown down with proper force. The clutch allows free spin at the bottom of the string until it loses inertia and disengages the clutch allowing the yo-yo to return back to the hand.

Category 2:
Similar to the old-school yo-yo's, these yo-yo's require little more than a good throw to have the yo-yo return to your hand. They require a proper flick of the wrist to get the yo-yo to free spin at the bottom of the string instead of return and require a similarly well timed flick to pull the yo-yo back.

Category 3:
These yo-yo's are designed to free spin with little more than a regular throw. Getting them to return up the string to the hand is a bit more complex, and requires careful flick of the wrist to return.

Category 4:
Also referred to as off-string yo-yo's, these are designed to release from the string so that the user can perform complex string tricks and string bounces/acrobatics. Getting the yo-yo to spool the string back around its axle takes a lot more practice than I'm ready to put into it.

Based off of those categories that he broke them down into for me, I can only really work Category 1 and 2, and can modify Category 3 yo-yo's to behave like Category 2 yo-yo's.
#1. They are unresponsive TO generate more spin, and let the user be less careful. look at any of the 'Advanced' yoyos (basically any recent metal or plastic) and after a break in period of about thirty minutes, usually way less, all will be unresponsive. And even a responsive yoyo nowadays will generate a significant amount of spin at the bottom of the string. I've gotten four and a half minute sleepers with a speedmaker that was nearly stock. (granted, would be much less if I was actually doing a trick.) But I do know that at least two other yoyoers from the boards are on here too, and I know I can get them to vouch for me on this.

#2 Never buy a clutch yoyo, even the best aren't that good. Just learn to hear when hear/feel when the yoyo's running out of spin time. And clutch yoyos are transaxle, which can be very frustrating to learn on because of the lack of spin time, that while being enough for more experienced people, can be incredibly discouraging to a newbie, especially if they're throw isn't the best.

And the actual styles of play are
1A normal play, like the stuff in this thread Here. Note that the yoyo doesn't come up inless he binds.
2A, which is double handed looping, like here. Example/ (this is grant. He's good.)
3A, which is the same as 1A, but with an extra yoyo. Very few people are even remotely good at this. Here's the 08 worlds champ. Too bad about kentaro. Linky linky.
4A, which is offstring. super fun, there aren't more that three or four popular yoyos for this style, though. Linky link.
5A, the fastest growing division, more fun than 4A, IMO, but also more painful. Example: here.
post #34 of 95
What PyroKid said is correct. Most new yo-yos that come out are unresponsive (require a bind to return) out of the box.

If you're looking for a good intro yo-yo, I would recommend the YoYoFactory Pocket Change, YoYoJam KickSide, or the YoYoFactory Velocity.

Each of these are under $20. You should get a bundle (100) of polyester string to go with it for $10.

For learning tricks, I recommend YoYoExpert.com.

As for communities to learn with and hangout with, I whole heartily recommend TheYo (I might be a little biased though, I'm a mod there ;]). The people are laid back, helpful, and easy to get along with.

Yo-Yoing is great.
post #35 of 95
ooh, and I forgot, pick up some YYj thin lube for when you move to unresponsive.
post #36 of 95
Thread Starter 
THANKS.
Can anyone compare the kickside to the speedmaker or the journey? They are the same price.
The YoYoFactory ones you recommended look strange, one has kiddie colours, and the other has a sort of thing sticking out on the side.
post #37 of 95
The Pocket Change might look strange, but it plays very well for the price.

The things on the side of the Velocity are dials. You can move the response system in and out of the yo-yo, increasing or decreasing the response.

Out of the KickSide, Speedmaker, and Journey, I would choose the KickSide. The SpeedMaker feels too light for my taste, and the Journey goes unresponsive too quickly.

Hope this helped,
~Isaac
post #38 of 95
Thread Starter 
Thanks.
So...the KickSide vs the Velocity?
post #39 of 95
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Originally Posted by P4Z View Post
Thanks.
So...the KickSide vs the Velocity?
Don't forget the pocket change!

Just get them all.
Give in.
It'll happen eventually, anyway.

I mean, I've spent way more on yoyos than audio...
post #40 of 95
Thread Starter 
No you haven't, you've spent over $1500 on audio.
I'll get a White Speeder, a blue Lyn Fury, and a purple Journey.
Dno what I'll do then...people won't buy yoyos on head-fi...or will they?
post #41 of 95
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Originally Posted by P4Z View Post
No you haven't, you've spent over $1500 on audio.
I'll get a White Speeder, a blue Lyn Fury, and a purple Journey.
Dno what I'll do then...people won't buy yoyos on head-fi...or will they?
Believe me, he's spent more on yo-yos than audio. I have myself (then again, I've only spent $200 on audio )

Also, I would recommend just getting a Lyn Fury or KickSide to start out with, along with a bundle of string. This all comes out to less than buying a Speeder, Lyn Fury, and Journey would. You could even get both the Lyn and KickSide and string and it'd be the same price as just the Speeder.

If you want to talk and learn about yo-yos, join TheYo. There's also a Buy/Sell/Trade if you want to get rid of a particular yo-yo/trade for a new one. I'm also a moderator there, so I can make sure everything is comfortable and answer any questions you might have.

Whatever you do, I hope you enjoy your new hobby, it's not nearly as expensive as audio

~Isaac
post #42 of 95
A quick question:

I am really interested in getting a Kickside (or maybe a similar one of better quality). Is there a certain bearing that I need in order to make it unresponsive? I'd like to experiment with both setups.
post #43 of 95
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Originally Posted by Punnisher View Post
A quick question:

I am really interested in getting a Kickside (or maybe a similar one of better quality). Is there a certain bearing that I need in order to make it unresponsive? I'd like to experiment with both setups.
There is not a different bearing needed to play unresponsive. It all depends on how you setup your bearing. When you get a bearing stock, it is usually full of factory lube. When you're first starting out or wanting to play responsive, this is perfect. However, if you wish to play unresponsive, you'll need to "clean" your bearing. You can do this by soaking your bearing in mineral spirits or paint thinner. There's a great video on YouTube showing how this is done (see here).

However, after cleaning your bearing, you will need to lube the bearing with "thin" lube for unresponsive play and thick lube for responsive play. If you're going to be experimenting with both, you're going to want to buy a bottle of YoYoJam Thick Lube (for responsive play) and a bottle of YoYoJam Thin Lube (for unresponsive play). Each bottle of lube costs $4.50, so it'll run you $9 for a bottle of both. Don't worry though, each bottle will last you a LONG time. You can buy a YoYoJam KickSide and YoYoJam Thick and Thin lube here. The lube is at the bottom of the page, just search the page (Ctrl+F) for "YYJ Lube".

Hope that helps,
~Isaac
post #44 of 95
Well after doing some research, I grabbed a yyj Hitman, thin/thick lube, shims and 100 pack of polyester string. It will be good to get back into yoyos and learn some proper tricks this time.

Thanks for your help!
post #45 of 95
No problem. I love my Hitman, I'm sure you'll love yours.

Remember to join TheYo if you ever need any help or want to talk about yo-yos.

~Isaac
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