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post #61 of 106
most ppl say the cd1700 is very warm w/ a tiny SS?! Apparently an easy mod is to remove the stock foam disc(as I did on my cd1k, I put some thinner foam instead)...maybe yours was modded?

yeah, velours...I very much prefer the cd3k pleather, I wonder if they'd fit

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post #62 of 106
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Originally Posted by leeperry View Post
most ppl say the cd1700 is very warm w/ a tiny SS?! Apparently an easy mod is to remove the stock foam disc(as I did on my cd1k, I put some thinner foam instead)...maybe yours was modded?

yeah, velours...I very much prefer the cd3k pleather, I wonder if they'd fit
No, mine wasn't modded. I bought them new.
I also read about them being warm, but only by some on Head-Fi. Other sources (and some Headfi-ers as well) confirms their brightness. Perhaps an amp issue?
In my system with the Musical Fidelity Xcan V3, the overall sound was thin, lean and very sibilant, but with good punchy bass, wide soundstage and a lot of PRaT.
post #63 of 106
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I'll be having a chance to compare the CD1700 and the CD3000, but a friend of mine has compared them and found the CD1700's bass is louder.
So? The CD3000 has a tight, controlled bass. It does not need to be louder - but if you are a 'basshead' you probably will not like them in that case. The CD3000 is really about a certain type of euphoric(an intentional slight coloration is present in a way to make it more euphoric in sound) high fidelity - I can't describe it any better than that....

-Chris
post #64 of 106
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Originally Posted by Tiemen View Post
In my system with the Musical Fidelity Xcan V3, the overall sound was thin, lean and very sibilant, but with good punchy bass, wide soundstage and a lot of PRaT.
damn! your description sounds almost exactly like my cd1k, expect for the sibilance...I got good punchy bass but chirugical and aerial, not B52 bombing-like a la DT770 SS is wiiiiiiide and the mids are so sexy, they make up for a stellar PRAT

I saw one brand new cd1700 go for USD100 a few weeks ago, I didn't have much regret when I read that the SS was tiny and the bass overblown(I really hate that)...ah well, I'll keep an eye open (again)
post #65 of 106
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luckily "louder" bass doesn't mean "better"
Agreed. Today, we had a shootout with HE-5 + EF-5, Markl D7000 /w Wood Cups, D7000 Stock, CD2000 and CD1700.

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I'm still curious about that cd1700, but apparently its SS is tiny anyway? and how's the cd2k? isolation is bearable? SS?
The CD2000 is more preferable in our setup.

Metric Halo ULN-2 Firewire DAC
DIY solid state amp
Oritek X-2 interconnect cables

The CD2000 sounds more airy and accurate, particularly details of bass, as well as higher dynamic range & contrast, i.e. PRATtier. The CD1700 sounds a bit darker due to their closed cups, IMO.

The isolation of the CD2000 isn't bad. My wife has never complained when I listened to my music in the room when she was there reading books.

If you have a decent source, a decent headamp, and transparent cables, then sibilance won't be an issue. If you have this problem, try the X-2. Sound stage also depends on these factors, very good in my setup. However, the HD800 & K701 still offer larger sound stage.

BTW, I found the HE-5 sounds very very good when driven by a right amp. My friend's DIY SS amp can drive the HE-5 giving excellent results.
LL
post #66 of 106
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Originally Posted by Kernmac View Post
Edition 8, pure brilliance and less than half the going rate of a CD3000, that makes me wierd?



EDIT: Sorry about that-had L3000 in my head, benchmark vintage closed can. Although I still don't know why owing an Ultrasone puts you in the wierd category.
Maybe it's because I haven't had my morning coffee yet, but is there some reason you intentionally misspelled weird and bolded it?

Was that a joke or a play on something I missed? I don't get it.
post #67 of 106
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Originally Posted by 4N6 View Post
Joining this a little late, but I have also owned the D5000 (actually a Lawton Audio LA5000 with balanced Jena Labs cable) along with a Black Dragon recabled CD3000. Only the CD3000 is still with me. Wonderful headphone, especially recabled and balanced. Sent my pair to one other Head-Fi member to compare to his stock CD3000's. After comparing the two, he immediately sent his pair in for recabling. The stock headphone cable with this headphone is a significant limiting factor.

I also have not yet heard a better closed headphone for the money. Edition 9, DX1000 (terrific yet very colored), W5000, and two pairs of D5000's have all come and gone.
Totally agreed. The stock CD3000s are very good headphone but once recabled they are great sounding headphones. I had my old pair recabled with the Moon Audio silver dragon and replaced with headphile R10 wood cups. I like the wood cups intitially but I ended up prefering the cable upgraded more afterward. What I found was the wood cups changed the sonics presentation of the headphones while cable upgraded kept the sonics presentation unchanged while enchaning midrange, soundstage, and bass qualities of the CD3000. I sold the CD3000 almost 3 to 4 years ago and really begin to miss them.

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Just to make a note about a comparison I did recently between my Senn HD800 and Sony CD2000. The bio-cellulose drivers, in CD1700, CD2000, CD2000, and R10, are so great.

They obviously deliver more details than my HD800's !!! However, some would argue that the HD800 needs a right decent amp in order to sound the best (very detailed).

My Metric Halo ULN-2 Firewire DAC sounds so fantastic (very musical, balanced and *detailed*) with the 2000 and the 1700. These cans make me realize that the HD800 is dark and not detailed.

I also found the Creative Aurvana DJ and Live use bio-cellulose drivers (from Fostex). Surprisingly, the $90 DJ sounds very good right out of the box. I would rate the DJ's performance 80% of the HD800's while bass is stronger.

I'll be having a chance to compare the CD1700 and the CD3000, but a friend of mine has compared them and found the CD1700's bass is louder.
Please compare the HD800 with your friend CD3000 and let us know. The CD2000 however is not popular and many consider it as a big down grade to the CD3000 and CD1700.
post #68 of 106
I think I will have an HD800 on hand in a couple of days, I will certainly post my thoughts vs my CD3000 and K701
post #69 of 106
HD 800 is not closed neither is the K701. Keep this thread on topic
post #70 of 106
I'm interested in whatever CD3K Vs World shootout...let's see if they can kill the sugar daddy of SS and PRAT
post #71 of 106
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Originally Posted by oqvist View Post
HD 800 is not closed neither is the K701. Keep this thread on topic
Agreed that the explicit title of the thread asks only for comparisons to today's closed cans, but I think that knowing how the CD3K, as a closed can known for its huge soundstage, compares with the best open cans is totally relevant, and fair game for the thread.
post #72 of 106
Sorry, I was trying to avoid turning the CD3K thread into an sennheiser or AKG thread. Maybe to do that I should have you get the picture
post #73 of 106
I own the CD3000 and had it recabled with Moon Audio's Silver Dragon with balanced connectors. I really like the CD3000 presentation. I even preferred it to the L3000 which I sold after months of comparison. It's a great closed headphone.
post #74 of 106
Listening to mine right now - I think it really does take a nice tube amp to have them sound their best. Out of the SS amp I've tried they just sound a little too bright and missing that little bit of lushness and magic that they can have when paired properly. They are really beautiful sounding cans though.
post #75 of 106
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Originally Posted by purk View Post
The CD2000 however is not popular and many consider it as a big down grade to the CD3000 and CD1700.
True for the "not popular" part. But the sound quality of the CD2000 depends very much on the source and amp used. On most consumer sources and amps, they sound very bright and a bit shrill. But on a higher-end amp, the bass tends to become fuller. The midrange is very good on these headphones. In other words, the CD2000 is one highly sensitive (efficient) headphone which requires the use of the right amp in order to sound its best. Don't just slap the CD2000's plug directly into the headphone jack of an iPod; the CD2000 will sound mediocre at best despite its ample loudness from such an output. The other CD#K models will sound better on these consumer-grade sources due to their more euphonic nature.
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