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post #46 of 106
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What might have been lost in translation is the giant soundstage I hear you all talking about with "real" cd3k's. There's plenty of depth, but I'm not blown away like many of you seem to be.
figures, these drivers need to be angled to death...no free lunch otherwise, and it's a major disgrace to have installed them into a DT770/Pro enclosure(that's clamping like crazy)

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post #47 of 106
Joining this a little late, but I have also owned the D5000 (actually a Lawton Audio LA5000 with balanced Jena Labs cable) along with a Black Dragon recabled CD3000. Only the CD3000 is still with me. Wonderful headphone, especially recabled and balanced. Sent my pair to one other Head-Fi member to compare to his stock CD3000's. After comparing the two, he immediately sent his pair in for recabling. The stock headphone cable with this headphone is a significant limiting factor.

I also have not yet heard a better closed headphone for the money. Edition 9, DX1000 (terrific yet very colored), W5000, and two pairs of D5000's have all come and gone.
post #48 of 106
Give ED 8 a chance. It´s like DX 1000 with no sign of colouration or resonances. Bass goes deeper as well and is like a replica of my speakers bass. Just wished that it would have as good soundstaging as the Pro 900 much more in my face
post #49 of 106
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Originally Posted by 4N6 View Post
Joining this a little late, but I have also owned the D5000 (actually a Lawton Audio LA5000 with balanced Jena Labs cable) along with a Black Dragon recabled CD3000. Only the CD3000 is still with me. Wonderful headphone, especially recabled and balanced. Sent my pair to one other Head-Fi member to compare to his stock CD3000's. After comparing the two, he immediately sent his pair in for recabling. The stock headphone cable with this headphone is a significant limiting factor.

I also have not yet heard a better closed headphone for the money. Edition 9, DX1000 (terrific yet very colored), W5000, and two pairs of D5000's have all come and gone.
Totally agree, recabled and balanced is the way to go with them.

It turns a great phone into an even greater one.
post #50 of 106
The CD3000 was a very interesting phone. It has incredible build quality in some ways. The enclosures were completely decoupled mechanically from the driver baffles to reduce resonance in the structure, and it used an extremely high grade acoustic absorption foam in the cup; so good in fact it allowed no measurable acoustic reflections. I measured the impulse response on a special measurement jig/device with and without the rear cup installed and could find no reflection(s) due to the cup. The cups themselves are deceiving. You assume standard plastic - until you knock on them and realize they are extremely dampened. It is an organic composite polymer with fibers embedded - this is not simple plastic. The main weakness of the phone was the headband - which may break in regards to the elastic self-adjusting feature. Also, the headband frame was of average build quality. Additionally, the ear pads after a few years begin to break down and crumble. I have a pair of CD3000 with this problem and do not see it worth buying the replacement pads that will degrade again. I am instead looking for a skillfull leather worker that will take apart existing pads and use them as templates to fabricate new pads made out of soft lamb's skin or some other highly durable soft natural analog.

BTW, can anyone recommend me a skilled leather worker that could make these pads for me?

The CD3000 had one of the best 'exciting' presentations for pop and rock music that I have ever heard in any headphone. And it was unique in that you did not easily get annoyed with the treble. Though I should note that I use a cotton filter over the drivers to slightly reduce the overall treble amplitude to my preferred level. Stock treble response is a bit too bright for me preference.

Sony discontinued the CD3000 at roughly the same time as the R10. It was a shame, as it did not appear that either were really suffering in sales so far as high end headphones go. In fact, it appeared that the CD3000 was one of the most desired headphones in it's price range at the time, based on forum posts, at least. I still desire a mint condition R10 as a display piece if I can ever find one for a reasonable price, or like one member here, a stupid cheap once in a life time price, eh, hamster man?

-Chris
post #51 of 106
sony mdr-cd3000 headphones
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organic fiber composite ear cups
we all crave for genuine leather ear pads
post #52 of 106
I need to try the CD3000.. Would like a phone with a great prat.
post #53 of 106
Just to make a note about a comparison I did recently between my Senn HD800 and Sony CD2000. The bio-cellulose drivers, in CD1700, CD2000, CD2000, and R10, are so great.

They obviously deliver more details than my HD800's !!! However, some would argue that the HD800 needs a right decent amp in order to sound the best (very detailed).

My Metric Halo ULN-2 Firewire DAC sounds so fantastic (very musical, balanced and *detailed*) with the 2000 and the 1700. These cans make me realize that the HD800 is dark and not detailed.

I also found the Creative Aurvana DJ and Live use bio-cellulose drivers (from Fostex). Surprisingly, the $90 DJ sounds very good right out of the box. I would rate the DJ's performance 80% of the HD800's while bass is stronger.

I'll be having a chance to compare the CD1700 and the CD3000, but a friend of mine has compared them and found the CD1700's bass is louder.
post #54 of 106
luckily "louder" bass doesn't mean "better"

I'm still curious about that cd1700, but apparently its SS is tiny anyway?

and how's the cd2k? isolation is bearable? SS?
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I have lost the auction, I really didn't want to pay more than 150 Euro (222 US Dollar), the headphones are gone for 234 Euro (347 US Dollar)
post #56 of 106
Probably because there was no original box supplied with the headphones, the usual going rate is higher.
post #57 of 106
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I have lost the auction, I really didn't want to pay more than 150 Euro (222 US Dollar), the headphones are gone for 234 Euro (347 US Dollar)
That's really quite reasonable.
post #58 of 106
Yeah probably, I am not suggesting otherwise.
Personally I didn't want to spend any more than 150 Euro
post #59 of 106
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Give ED 8 a chance. It´s like DX 1000 with no sign of colouration or resonances. Bass goes deeper as well and is like a replica of my speakers bass. Just wished that it would have as good soundstaging as the Pro 900 much more in my face
Edition 8 is definitely the best headphone I've ever put on my head. It's like listening to your high end tower speakers WITH the subwoofer turned on, not off. I will agree with many here though, you have to really get into that ultrasone signature sound. It's very hard to describe. They seem to be in your face with not a very wide soundstage until you pause a song right in the middle. At that point it seems to be a huge echo, like the soundstage was huge. Very strange how that all works.

I would love to hear the sony's. Too bad they are so difficult to find.
post #60 of 106
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I'm still curious about that cd1700, but apparently its SS is tiny anyway?
To my ears, the CD1700 are a bright and sibilant headphone, with little isolation.
But their comfort is unmatched.
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