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post #196 of 281
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Originally Posted by SoupRKnowva View Post
Songbird is bloated too, if you want a nice lightweight music player for mac that plays FLAC go check out Play, it works great, loads way faster as well, and it is still bit perfect. Way better than songbird
Thanks man, I'll be checking it out.

Update:

I had a look and it's interesting. I may well install it, but an immediate turn-off is the lack of album art.

Browsing my music has a heavy visual component. My visual memory is better than my memory for names, hence my newer stuff is often more easily located when I spot the album art. In fact, come to think of it, SongBird didn't seem to offer the ability to display album art in its default list view, one of the problems I had with using it. Just goes to show how our priorities differ, doesn't it.
post #197 of 281
Additionally, some of the album artwork and documentation for material I've bought are provided in PDF format. I store these in iTunes and can easily open them and read as I listen. This sort of pdf based album information is available when purchasing music from HDTracks as well as Bowers & Wilkins' Society of Sound.
post #198 of 281
Yeah play is very stripped down, i think the only thing i didnt like was that in order to paly music you had to put it in the now playing list, you could just pick something in the library and have it keep playing down the list, i dont care much for album art myself, well at least not in my media player, i do however grab the cd case and booklet alot of times though
post #199 of 281
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Originally Posted by aimlink View Post
As to my way or the highway.... which software producer doesn't offer a similar policy? That's how we go about choosing our preferred OS and software. I've never been able to get any piece of software to do exactly what I want, when I want and how I want. I don't demand the developers to either or expect them to. This is, IMO, an unreasonable position to take.
No, that's really NOT a reasonable position to take. Open source is proof that community support is invaluable. In many cases, you can get exactly what you want, but it takes time. This is directly comparable to DIY in high end audio. I use windows most of the time because it saves time, but honestly I've never had an issue with linux that couldn't be resolved with open source software or emulators
post #200 of 281
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No, that's really NOT a reasonable position to take. Open source is proof that community support is invaluable. In many cases, you can get exactly what you want, but it takes time. This is directly comparable to DIY in high end audio. I use windows most of the time because it saves time, but honestly I've never had an issue with linux that couldn't be resolved with open source software or emulators
You're sounding old hat and er, typical, in that I've heard that speak before.

Open source has its place, no doubt. I have no problem with the concept, can appreciate and have taken advantage of where it works very well. However, I can also appreciate where it fails, and hasn't been the saviour of software development to the satisfaction of end user needs.

In the same way, commercial software has it's place, no doubt. I have no problem with the concept, have benefited from it, and can appreciate where it fails to always encourage software development to the satisfaction of end user needs.

I've had very positive experiences in the past with commercial, open source, or free for use but closed source software. However, I'll maintain that none have been perfect for me since none have been developed just for me and I've never met a set of developers who were prepared, and quite reasonably so, to cater to my own unique and peculiar needs.

OTOH, consider this... there are many herd mentalities. Be careful not to fall in the clutches of one. There's a distinct advantage to this mind you, in that you'll more often find your needs and views aligned with a particular group which makes you easier to please. Additionally, you have company and don't feel alone with your views. The support is there, if you will. Very comforting situation to be in.

However, there's the independent, more balanced view. One borne of the freedom of independent thinking. Takes more courage, but it's far better and discourages damaging, wayward group speak and think.

I've long been liberated from OS and software company allegiance. These are just tools and if it works OK, I'll use it. If it doesn't, I'll not. This business about Apple this and Apple that, OSS this, OSS that etc. etc. are just a reflection of one's own attitude. I suggest examining it very carefully.

End of soap box...

Your OSS comments brought this out. I couldn't help it.

I seem to have fallen in the clutches of the head-fi group think/speak and am trying to get myself out. I'm not at all speaking as an outsider here. Afterall, I have 5 cans and am ordering another one.

Check out the chaos on TTVJ's website over some B-Stock HF-2's. I had considered diving in and the voice of pragmatism and reason spoke.
post #201 of 281
Redundant assertions of the same points that have been disproved earlier. Unsubscribe.
post #202 of 281
I think for an average consumer itunes would be fantastic, it's good for what it is. Their store is better now that they have been doing everything 256 and even the player has pretty good sound compared to it's other mainstream competitors.

That being said though it is just that, Basic. It's like buying a decent car that has some goodness to it but you can't tweak, customize, or change crap about it. On a guru forum like this you can bet your sweet little ass nobody here wants basic hahahah. So that's why it seems everyone hates it. Ask your girlfriend down the street etc and I bet they will say they love it. Actually it's funny I was at my buddy's house the other week and we were burning some mp3 cds for the car and I was having some trouble with winamp and he looked at me and said dude why don't you just use itunes? I about hurled up from my stomach bc I couldn't believe what I was hearing out of my good buddy's mouth who is also an audio lover.
post #203 of 281
Isn't iTunes only a problem for windows OS users? I always thought iTunes on mac was close to flawless.
post #204 of 281
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Isn't iTunes only a problem for windows OS users? I always thought iTunes on mac was close to flawless.
That is true... these people just dont understand that, or they've got issues with the way it organizes music, which has been discussed
post #205 of 281
yeah iTunes on Mac is great if you like the interface. Otherwise, why are you complaining? Is someone forcing you to use it?
post #206 of 281
I'm surprised nobody has mentioned this, but on Windows 7/Vista at least foobar does sound a little better than itunes. Foobar uses Windows Audio Session API, which reduces intermediate software processing of audio data by the os. This probably translates into a few tens of miliseconds less variability in the audio stream, but that is enough to render more details in the very high frequencies. It's not dramatic, but it slightly opens the soundstage and improves spatial details in open, airy passages of music.

Don't personally care much about the interface,etc. but i'd wear a donkey on head and play music out my toaster if it meant better sound quality. Incidentally, this is possible to set up in itunes too in the quicktime preferences (audio tab, pick windows audio session) so it's not a reason to stop using itunes. But how many of us have chosen this option?
post #207 of 281
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Originally Posted by eucariote View Post
Don't personally care much about the interface,etc. but i'd wear a donkey on head and play music out my toaster if it meant better sound quality.
Really? I wouldn't.

Don't get me wrong, I appreciate your humor. It's just that I think there's a point where convenience and performance have to meet in the middle to achieve truly optimal results. At least that's been my experience. Otherwise, why not just buy a vinyl rig and be done with it, you know?

For the record, I've use iTunes on both my Mac and my PC. I enjoy it on both machines, although I would certainly agree that it is implemented better on the Mac. I'm certainly not averse to trying any alternatives though – on either platform.
post #208 of 281
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Originally Posted by eucariote View Post
I'm surprised nobody has mentioned this, but on Windows 7/Vista at least foobar does sound a little better than itunes. Foobar uses Windows Audio Session API, which reduces intermediate software processing of audio data by the os. This probably translates into a few tens of miliseconds less variability in the audio stream, but that is enough to render more details in the very high frequencies. It's not dramatic, but it slightly opens the soundstage and improves spatial details in open, airy passages of music.

Don't personally care much about the interface,etc. but i'd wear a donkey on head and play music out my toaster if it meant better sound quality. Incidentally, this is possible to set up in itunes too in the quicktime preferences (audio tab, pick windows audio session) so it's not a reason to stop using itunes. But how many of us have chosen this option?
That's the thing. In the end, it's about the sound. I used to use itunes and other various players until I discovered foobar and it's seemingly endless variety of ways to tailor the sq to my liking. The more I discover and tweak the better it gets. For now, I have the DSP plugins DTS Encoder, Channel Mixer (5.1 surround (customized), sub woofer and bass redirection enabled and customized), and Dolby Headphone - in that order in the DSP chain. This has completely opened up a whole new world, one I could have only dreamed about using itunes, and has brought out qualities in all my headphones that I didn't know they were capable of, especially the RS1s. I had no idea they were capable of such an awe inspiring bass without using an expensive home audio setup as the source. Not to mention the VST parametric and 32 band graphic equalizers like Electri-Q and Linear Phase. From what I can tell, foobar2000 has as much potential as you want it to. You just have to learn what to do and spend time with it to get it right. It takes time, but once you reach that place we all strive for, there just isn't any turning back.

So for me, it's not about mac v pc or any of that nonsense. It's all about the sound. But hey, that's just me.
post #209 of 281
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Originally Posted by aimlink View Post
I've had very positive experiences in the past with commercial, open source, or free for use but closed source software. However, I'll maintain that none have been perfect for me since none have been developed just for me and I've never met a set of developers who were prepared, and quite reasonably so, to cater to my own unique and peculiar needs.
You are missing the whole point of open source. You don't download open source programs and just assume that the developers should cater to you. You're supposed to learn some basic programming so you can actually build exactly what you want, and then contribute to the community -.-

open source is great because it saves you a ton of time programming groundwork functionality. its equivalent to getting a PCB board and electrical components in DIY audio, as opposed to getting a box of scrap metal

foobar isn't really open source, but it might as well be with all the developer support and customization options. I wanted to use foobar as a browser but couldn't find a prebuilt component for it, so I asked for some help on the HA forums and wrote myself a module to run mozilla in component box. can you do that with itunes? maybe, but it sure as hell isn't as easy as it is with foobar
post #210 of 281
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Originally Posted by jawang View Post
You are missing the whole point of open source. You don't download open source programs and just assume that the developers should cater to you. You're supposed to learn some basic programming so you can actually build exactly what you want, and then contribute to the community -.-
I'm supposed to learn some basic programming. I see. I don't think you're being practical... but that's just me. I agree that if you choose to learn some programming or can program, then OSS is a very appealing and productive prospect. However, I ask that you consider the majority who have the rest of their lives and interests that either deny them from programming or have them preferring to invest their spare time in other pursuits. I'm a mix of both. I now have to use software. I don't know if you can now see my point of view. How many who use OSS software are able to programme well enough to customize the software? You could take a poll here as well and I'm confident what the results will show.

This is grossly off track and on a very beaten road anyway. I wish to end it here. This is my last comment on this particular aspect of the discussion.
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