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post #181 of 281
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Originally Posted by aimlink View Post
Like any other update, you don't have to do them unless they're relevant to you. There's a Mac in my house now running Tiger and whose iTunes hasn't been updated in ages. It still works. The perception is so hopelessly flawed in some cases.
Nice arrogance there, green guy. I wonder which part of my paragraph revealed that my 'perception' is not only flawed, but 'hopelessly flawed'? It's this kind of knowier-than-thou attitude that is ruining headfi.

Anyhow I guess you never purchased any videos from itunes 3-4 years ago? Because yes, suddenly the ITUNES VIDEOS WOULD NOT PLAY on your computer either in quicktime or in itunes, even though you had ALREADY PURCHASED THESE VIDEOS YEARS AGO, unless you upgraded first just the itunes, then the itunes and the quicktime, and now they have added a mandatory safari upgrade as well. This is true for the video only. It is absolutely not a choice and there are a million complaints about this issue all over the internet.

And yes, I am in India, so our internet sucks. And Apple's ever-growing believe that the whole world now has access to superfast internet is another example of how much it continues to grow in its suckage. Just like when it took out dialup modems, and like how it alienated half of its long-term mac followers when it decided to take firewire out of its new laptops. Thanks AppleSoft!

And by the way I am still running tiger on my workhorse machine, happily.
post #182 of 281
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Originally Posted by spinneresque View Post
Nice arrogance there, green guy. I wonder which part of my paragraph revealed that my 'perception' is not only flawed, but 'hopelessly flawed'? It's this kind of knowier-than-thou attitude that is ruining headfi.
Take a look in the mirror and tell me what you see. I showed it to you through my response. That's all. You're just complaining, big time, that the world of Apple is failing to revolve around your personal needs. If they don't fit your needs, just move on and stop calling anyone who points this out to you arrogant.
post #183 of 281
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Originally Posted by grokit View Post
Probably having to do with the "Compilations" aspect of iTunes, where it will take any "Album" that tags multiple "Artists" and put in a separate place, separate even from "all" "Artists". I have gotten used to this feature myself, but it has taken years.
There were a number of things that I didn't like about how iTunes handled classical. Some if it is due to it doing things counter to the way I want things done. But if I absolutely had to I could get it to be functional enough. Fortunately I'm able to use other software that suits me better.

One of the things I didn't like was having the classical music all mixed in with the popular music when doing things like cover flow. I don't know if there is a way around that behavior or not. I'd like to be able to browse through the classical and the popular separately but still have both in the same library. When I'm in the mood for classical music I don't want to be weeding through the popular music. In general use I'd be fighting iTunes and be forced to think outside the box to get it to behave in ways that better suit me.

The last version of iTunes that I experimented with was version 7. I should install iTunes 9 and import a portion of my library just to see what the new version is like.
post #184 of 281
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Originally Posted by aimlink View Post
Take a look in the mirror and tell me what you see. I showed it to you through my response. That's all. You're just complaining, big time, that the world of Apple is failing to revolve around your personal needs. If they don't fit your needs, just move on and stop calling anyone who points this out to you arrogant.
Seriously?? Well, looking in the mirror won't help me, because as you said, my perception is 'hopelessly flawed.'

The topic is, why do we hate itunes, and my reply was that mandatory upgrades suck and Apple is becoming more and more out of touch with the poorer people in the world, people who don't have superfast internet.

Hey headfier's, do the community a solid and just ignore these personal-attacking types of people! Eventually they just go away and find some other group of people to insult. I'm really surprised that he hasn't been banned yet.

Congratulations on being the first person I have ever blocked at head-fi!!! Rock on!!
post #185 of 281
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Originally Posted by spinneresque View Post
Seriously?? Well, looking in the mirror won't help me, because as you said, my perception is 'hopelessly flawed.'

The topic is, why do we hate itunes, and my reply was that mandatory upgrades suck and Apple is becoming more and more out of touch with the poorer people in the world, people who don't have superfast internet.

Hey headfier's, do the community a solid and just ignore these personal-attacking types of people! Eventually they just go away and find some other group of people to insult. I'm really surprised that he hasn't been banned yet.

Congratulations on being the first person I have ever blocked at head-fi!!! Rock on!!
You ARE hopeless, and you're the one being an arrogant tool. On that note, you actually personally attacked him first. >_>

He said 'The perception is hopelessly flawed', IE, people perceive that all updates are mandatory. Not directed at you.

Two update screens, care of iTunes on my Win7 machine:

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f2...nupdateone.jpg
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f2...nupdatetwo.jpg

Do you see any updates forced upon me? Nope.
post #186 of 281
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Originally Posted by Ham Sandwich View Post
One of the things I didn't like was having the classical music all mixed in with the popular music when doing things like cover flow. I don't know if there is a way around that behavior or not. I'd like to be able to browse through the classical and the popular separately but still have both in the same library. When I'm in the mood for classical music I don't want to be weeding through the popular music. In general use I'd be fighting iTunes and be forced to think outside the box to get it to behave in ways that better suit me.

The last version of iTunes that I experimented with was version 7. I should install iTunes 9 and import a portion of my library just to see what the new version is like.
Really? You never noticed the "Genres", one of the iTunes three main browser categories (as well as a view option category)? It used to be right there in your face on default and has been there since the very first version of iTunes.

Now I guess you have to "customize" it.

Just select "show browser" under the "view" menu and then click on the "Classical" genre, and all you see is classical music. You don't have to use Cover Flow either in case you weren't aware of that. There are many interface options under the "view" menu and sub-menus.

Geez
post #187 of 281
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Originally Posted by grokit View Post
Really? You never noticed the "Genres", one of the iTunes three main browser categories (as well as a view option category)? It used to be right there in your face on default and has been there since the very first version of iTunes.
I saw that option. It just doesn't carry through when doing cover flow.

My preference is to browse my library in larger chunks than genre. I want "classical" to be all styles and genres of classical. I want "rock" to be all styles and genres of rock. I want "jazz" to be all styles and genres of jazz. Then I like to be able to browse my collection by "classical", "rock", "jazz", "other".

I could make genre those general categories. That would accomplish the goal at the expense of misusing the genre tag. I'd lose the useful more specific genre info unless I subvert another tag for that use.

I've got J River Media Center configured so I have views like what I want. I can easily browse by "classical", "rock", "jazz" or "other". I am able to create custom tags and views. Instead of playing games trying to change my behavior to match the behavior of the software I instead get to turn the table and get J River Media Center to change to match my behavior. In iTunes I have to alter my behavior to match the software. In J River Media Center I get to alter the software to match my behavior. It's that different mindset and feeling that causes me to prefer J River Media Center over iTunes and why I find iTunes limiting.
post #188 of 281
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Originally Posted by Ham Sandwich View Post
I saw that option. It just doesn't carry through when doing cover flow.

My preference is to browse my library in larger chunks than genre. I want "classical" to be all styles and genres of classical. I want "rock" to be all styles and genres of rock. I want "jazz" to be all styles and genres of jazz. Then I like to be able to browse my collection by "classical", "rock", "jazz", "other".

I could make genre those general categories. That would accomplish the goal at the expense of misusing the genre tag. I'd lose the useful more specific genre info unless I subvert another tag for that use.

I've got J River Media Center configured so I have views like what I want. I can easily browse by "classical", "rock", "jazz" or "other". I am able to create custom tags and views. Instead of playing games trying to change my behavior to match the behavior of the software I instead get to turn the table and get J River Media Center to change to match my behavior. In iTunes I have to alter my behavior to match the software. In J River Media Center I get to alter the software to match my behavior. It's that different mindset and feeling that causes me to prefer J River Media Center over iTunes and why I find iTunes limiting.
If you make a smart playlist, and only select the genre you want, it'll set up everything nice for you. I don't find it too much of a hassle, but then again, I only have the smart playlist set up with three genres. Remember to use live updating!

edit: what do you mean by, all styles of classical and rock?
cover flow was a really good idea, now that i think about it
post #189 of 281
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Originally Posted by Blisse View Post
If you make a smart playlist, and only select the genre you want, it'll set up everything nice for you. I don't find it too much of a hassle, but then again, I only have the smart playlist set up with three genres. Remember to use live updating!

edit: what do you mean by, all styles of classical and rock?
cover flow was a really good idea, now that i think about it
That's an interesting use of smart lists. Not something I of for using smart lists for. It seems that would indeed work in iTunes. Not something I would use smart lists for in J River Media Center, but seems to do the trick in iTunes.

By all styles of classical I mean subdivisions like baroque, chamber music, string quartet, symphony, etc. I want to be able to browse my classical music and have it include all forms of classical.

Same with rock. I want to browse all the rock and have it include new wave, heavy metal, blues rock, singer songwriter, etc.

I don't like browsing by the smaller genre classifications because sometimes there is only one or a few albums in a sub-genre. It's not fun to browse through just three albums. Sometimes I want the bigger picture.
post #190 of 281
For the umpteenth time....No FLAC support. I have about 400GB's of FLAC files that I want easy use of. Also, I prefer the many plugins, light footprint and customization offered by Foobar. One other thing, iTunes will choke on songs with long title info and refuse to play them. I've never had that problem with Foobar.
post #191 of 281
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Originally Posted by GungaDin View Post
For the umpteenth time....No FLAC support. I have about 400GB's of FLAC files that I want easy use of. Also, I prefer the many plugins, light footprint and customization offered by Foobar. One other thing, iTunes will choke on songs with long title info and refuse to play them. I've never had that problem with Foobar.
I almost switched to SongBird because of this. There's a nice tool called XLD (for Mac) that will quickly convert flac files to alac files while auto-importing them into iTunes. I was getting weary of doing this conversion and wanted FLAC support. So I started using SongBird, but then it's own issues got in the way and I decided to just continue what I was doing.

I can certainly understand lack of FLAC support! Though there are little plugins that offer FLAC support in iTunes, I've always shied away from them. Either it has fully integrated FLAC support without limitations, or it doesn't.
post #192 of 281
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Originally Posted by Ham Sandwich View Post
That's an interesting use of smart lists. Not something I of for using smart lists for. It seems that would indeed work in iTunes. Not something I would use smart lists for in J River Media Center, but seems to do the trick in iTunes.

By all styles of classical I mean subdivisions like baroque, chamber music, string quartet, symphony, etc. I want to be able to browse my classical music and have it include all forms of classical.

Same with rock. I want to browse all the rock and have it include new wave, heavy metal, blues rock, singer songwriter, etc.

I don't like browsing by the smaller genre classifications because sometimes there is only one or a few albums in a sub-genre. It's not fun to browse through just three albums. Sometimes I want the bigger picture.
If you check the genre labelling from the outset, then this is possible. I've been doing this with some of my newer imports.

Additionally, the smart playlists can filter multiple strings. For example, you could do:

Include music that
contains the genre string "rock"
OR
contains the genre string "heavy metal"
OR
contains the genre string "new wave"
post #193 of 281
I hate the fact you cannot change the skin or tweak the colors of the GUI. That bright white and pale blue background is a eye-fatiguing glare to look at. I love J River Media Jukebox/Media Center and also Media Monkey because not only do they allow skinning and tweaking the GUI, they also have a ton more features--even in the freeware versions. Winamp too.

What I can't stand about Apple as a company is their arrogance of "do it our way or the highway." They do not allow nearly enough customization in any of their products, and they fancy themselves as having the best design visually or ergonomically, and that is just not true. iPod has one of the worst sound quality and least number of features compared to the other competitors like the Creative Zen players. It doesn't even have customizable EQ, which is laughable for a portable player. The lack of customizable shortcuts also means you have to constantly navigate through the entire directory hierarchy just to get to the location you want. Not very ergonomic at all.
post #194 of 281
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Originally Posted by aimlink View Post
I almost switched to SongBird because of this. There's a nice tool called XLD (for Mac) that will quickly convert flac files to alac files while auto-importing them into iTunes. I was getting weary of doing this conversion and wanted FLAC support. So I started using SongBird, but then it's own issues got in the way and I decided to just continue what I was doing.

I can certainly understand lack of FLAC support! Though there are little plugins that offer FLAC support in iTunes, I've always shied away from them. Either it has fully integrated FLAC support without limitations, or it doesn't.
Songbird is bloated too, if you want a nice lightweight music player for mac that plays FLAC go check out Play, it works great, loads way faster as well, and it is still bit perfect. Way better than songbird
post #195 of 281
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Originally Posted by Lunatique View Post
What I can't stand about Apple as a company is their arrogance of "do it our way or the highway."
Isn't this an issue of perception? Here I am with perception again.

A company offers a product and doesn't offer the ability to customize the appearance. How is that arrogant? Because other similar pieces of software offer customization? Are they genuinely obligated to offer this feature? Is this about appearance or function?

As to my way or the highway.... which software producer doesn't offer a similar policy? That's how we go about choosing our preferred OS and software. I've never been able to get any piece of software to do exactly what I want, when I want and how I want. I don't demand the developers to either or expect them to. This is, IMO, an unreasonable position to take.

If you don't like the product, then that's OK. I have no problem. However, for the sake of those who may be considering using iTunes or the Mac platform, if I find an argument to be, IMO, or worse, objectively flawed, then I'll open my mouth and speak.

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Originally Posted by Lunatique View Post
They do not allow nearly enough customization in any of their products, and they fancy themselves as having the best design visually or ergonomically, and that is just not true. iPod has one of the worst sound quality and least number of features compared to the other competitors like the Creative Zen players. It doesn't even have customizable EQ, which is laughable for a portable player. The lack of customizable shortcuts also means you have to constantly navigate through the entire directory hierarchy just to get to the location you want. Not very ergonomic at all.
I agree that the iPod ergonometrics aren't great, uhm perfect. It would seem that the iPod Touch is their transition interface. It fixes some of the issues of the iPod interface, but introduces its own. In fact, after using an iPod Touch for a while, I was convinced I'd do better with an iPod Classic and actually got one. I felt so only for a while until the iPod's own quirks became evident. Give me any player and the same will happen. As with all things like this, nothing is perfect and suites all who use them. Horses for courses.

Be that as it may, I think the iPod Classic/Touch are great sounding and don't think other players I've tried sound any better even though I was told they did. Brings a smile that those who have that feeling have a problem with Apple in other ways. Bias is a hell of a thing... and just like pricey cables and pricey headphones, you often hear improvements where none really exist. It's all a matter of perspective, attitude and bias. Got to be careful there and not too confident.
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