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post #76 of 176
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They open up quite a bit leave them burning for a couple days straight or in the evening until they have around 80 hours then give them another listen. They change quite a bit.
post #77 of 176
Also, the stock tips...eugh. They do muffle the highs quite a bit I've found. Using large Sony EP-EX1s that I have, and they are better, though the mids could come forward a bit. If they all balance out, I'll be dead happy
post #78 of 176
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I use the sony hybrid tips and cram them down to the lowest postion on the tube which opened up very wide. This definitely helps their soundstage, mids, and highs.
post #79 of 176
Well, the Audio Technicas don't even have 40 hours on them yet, but I'm already convinced: the Monsters are outta here.

It's not that the Turbines are bad IEMs at all--if I hadn't heard the CKS70s I'd still be pretty happy with them. I dare say that some people still might prefer the Turbines' sound signature over the ATs. For me, though, the CKS70s hit the sweet spot of sound, comfort and price a little better.

The next challenge will be when my Triple.Fi 10s get here next week. My suspicion is that their sound signature is going to be so different from the CKS70s that there really won't be a need for comparison. I may end up keeping both, so that depending on my mood I can have either refined, elegantly balanced sound or thumpy-thump.
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Well, the Audio Technicas don't even have 40 hours on them yet, but I'm already convinced: the Monsters are outta here.

It's not that the Turbines are bad IEMs at all--if I hadn't heard the CKS70s I'd still be pretty happy with them. I dare say that some people still might prefer the Turbines' sound signature over the ATs. For me, though, the CKS70s hit the sweet spot of sound, comfort and price a little better.

The next challenge will be when my Triple.Fi 10s get here next week. My suspicion is that their sound signature is going to be so different from the CKS70s that there really won't be a need for comparison. I may end up keeping both, so that depending on my mood I can have either refined, elegantly balanced sound or thumpy-thump.
I didn't like the treble of the Turbines, and to me no treble is better than bad treble!

And I too look forward to comparing the CKS70 to the TF10 (and IE8 and WM2 and RE252).
post #81 of 176
Gawd, I wish my CKS70's would turn up somewhere in the shipping abyss, and arrive at some point! I'm dyin' to hear these things.
post #82 of 176
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I glad others are enjoying these as much as I have. It's good to know my feelings are not far off from others.

For those of you who have these and the TF10 I would love to know what your hear different and how it's different. I may trade my AD900 (or HD600 if dislike them) on a pair of TF10's plus some cash coming back my way which I will then use to pay for custom shells from Fisher Hearing. Thgis is quite an expensive undertaking all around so I want to make sure I wil be happy with the result.

I am OK with the TF10 being brighter and more detailed (in fact I would be very disappointed if it wasn't) but I want a good sound stage (close to the CKS70) and I want decent bass (it doesn't have to be like the CKS70 but I do want to feel it at least a bit. So I know this thread is about the CKS70 but I have started up a poll asking about the TF10 compared to my HD600 and AD700/900 and "others". Would some of you mind posting your experience sound wise in that thread. It doesn't have to be about the 3 phones I listed you can compare it to the CKS70, Monster Turbines, Klispch S4 etc.

Thanks
post #83 of 176
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I glad others are enjoying these as much as I have. It's good to know my feelings are not far off from others.

For those of you who have these and the TF10 I would love to know what your hear different and how it's different. I may trade my AD900 (or HD600 if dislike them) on a pair of TF10's plus some cash coming back my way which I will then use to pay for custom shells from Fisher Hearing. Thgis is quite an expensive undertaking all around so I want to make sure I wil be happy with the result.

I am OK with the TF10 being brighter and more detailed (in fact I would be very disappointed if it wasn't) but I want a good sound stage (close to the CKS70) and I want decent bass (it doesn't have to be like the CKS70 but I do want to feel it at least a bit. So I know this thread is about the CKS70 but I have started up a poll asking about the TF10 compared to my HD600 and AD700/900 and "others". Would some of you mind posting your experience sound wise in that thread. It doesn't have to be about the 3 phones I listed you can compare it to the CKS70, Monster Turbines, Klispch S4 etc.

Thanks
I'll definitely do a write-up comparing both once my TF10s get here. The CKS70s should be well broken-in by then. Supposedly because of the balanced armatures, the Triple.Fis won't need the burn-in period that dynamic phones usually require. So I hear, anyway.
post #84 of 176
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OK so my HD600 just came in and I thought I would give my quick initial impression of the HD600 in comparison to the CKS70 since I thought the CKS70 reminded me of them.

The HD600 have a similar treble in regards to non fatiguing but the treble is way more detailed and is not rolled off as much especially for instruments like cymbals. The HD600 has perfect treble for me.

The midrange is very similar as well, nice and warm and only slightly recessed in comparison. The detail again is better in the HD600.

The bass is simply not as heavy or as precise as the CKS70, this really is an area the CKS70 excels. The detail of the bass in the CKS70 is also better. Having said that the bass scales better with the HD600 in regards to volume in that it never over powers the rest of the sound at louder levels.

Here is the interesting thing. I think the sound stage of the CKS70 comes across as as big or bigger than the HD600! This is an amazing feat considering this is the area all open phones are deisgned to excel at.

One last point, the instrument seperation of the HD600 is also better than the CKS70 but the CKS70- does have decent enough seperation for me.

So would I recommend the HD600 over the CKS70 or vice versa? Not really, the HD600 has no isolation which depending on the circumstances is a good or bad and needs anp to play well. The CKS70 on the other hand doesn't have quite the same detail or as good a treble but has slightly better bass and does a reasonable job of isolation.

The arrival of the HD600 has helped me feel even better about the CKS70 though as they helped me realize just how much bang for the buck I have in them. If you have the Senn HD580/600/650 and are looking for a cost effective IEM or just can't afford the IE8 these are a great compliment to those headphones.

I am afraid my AD900's days are numbered though... I just can't handle the higher treble. I love it's detail but it's just to painfull and fatiguing for my ears. BTW I am suprised at how similar the bass is between the HD600 and AD900. The problem is the treble of the AD900 makes it impossible for me to listen to them loud enough to get a good sense of the bass.
post #85 of 176
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OK so my HD600 just came in and I thought I would give my quick initial impression of the HD600 in comparison to the CKS70 since I thought the CKS70 reminded me of them.
I have not made this comparison, but have compared the IE8 to the HD600, and thought the IE8 came out on top.

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Here is the interesting thing. I think the sound stage of the CKS70 comes across as as big or bigger than the HD600! This is an amazing feat considering this is the area all open phones are deisgned to excel at.
Funny, I was thinking the exact same thing about the IE8. The overall presentation is more focused in my head, but the space just seems wider and more coherent from left to right. And the CKS70 does have a soundstage that is close to the IE8.

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The arrival of the HD600 has helped me feel even better about the CKS70 though as they helped me realize just how much bang for the buck I have in them. If you have the Senn HD580/600/650 and are looking for a cost effective IEM or just can't afford the IE8 these are a great compliment to those headphones.
Yep, good bang for the buck if you can handle the CKS70's treble!
post #86 of 176
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So I started to notice that sometimes the CKS70 were just rich and full and sometimes they seemed muffled. So I started to play around with the seal and found if I hada "proper seal" they were more muffled than when I had a loose seal. This lead me to try an experiment where I changed the sony hybrid medium tip with a sony hybrid large tip. Using the large tip I seal the ear a but further out of my ear and the result is slightly less bass (I actually like this reduction) and the mids and treble have definitely improved. So for those struggling with the mids and highs, if you have any hybrid tips try using a larger tip and see if that helps.

BTW I think the hybrids make the sound of these IEM's, the stock tips just choke to much sound out.
post #87 of 176
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So I started to notice that sometimes the CKS70 were just rich and full and sometimes they seemed muffled. So I started to play around with the seal and found if I hada "proper seal" they were more muffled than when I had a loose seal. This lead me to try an experiment where I changed the sony hybrid medium tip with a sony hybrid large tip. Using the large tip I seal the ear a but further out of my ear and the result is slightly less bass (I actually like this reduction) and the mids and treble have definitely improved. So for those struggling with the mids and highs, if you have any hybrid tips try using a larger tip and see if that helps.

BTW I think the hybrids make the sound of these IEM's, the stock tips just choke to much sound out.
This is exactly what I have noticed. Mine still haven't broken in yet, but I do notice they are starting to clear up a little.

They are starting to sound better and better. My main issue is the highs could be slightly clearer (I've not even owned them for 80 hours though, which is when I'll at least start to slightly judge them properly) and there seems to be a massive hump around the mid-bass that makes it almost seem to echo and really punch (and not in a too pleasant way either) in some songs. Tech N9ne - Demons: the whole sound isn't really too my liking with that song, for example. The cellos are still pretty bassy, and a tad echoey, and the vocals are still a bit, well, muffled.

That said, the fullness of the sound is incredible in comparison to my NE-7Ms, which, even though I've become more used to my CKS70s, sounds really very thin, only the treble is clearer; the CKS70s can't quite deliver that sparkle in some songs.
post #88 of 176
Well well well... mine FINALLY showed up! And on my last day of work before the Xmas holiday. Crazy how long these took to arrive. They must have gotten hung up in customs, although tracking never showed any updates at all. Then bam, they're here. Oh well.

Listening right now, trying to get a grip on the sound (bassy of course!). I'll do some more listening and experimenting with tips before making any comments. Build is amazing though....
post #89 of 176
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Take your time CN11, they need a burnin to settle the bass down. I really do like the build of them, if they ever come out with say a CKS90 that addresses the bit of treble deficiency I would be ecstatic. As it is I think they are still a great phone for the price. I am now waiting for a pair of TF10's to arrive that I did some horse trading for.

If nothing else these lead me to buying my HD600 which I am VERY happy with in a fullsize headphone. The bass is not quite as impactfull as these but it is very nice and the HD600 have the same warm sound but with much better treble.
post #90 of 176
Well if it's any sort of indication, I immediately like the CKS70 better than the Triples (I got a pair from that crazy deal of the century). I'm sure with burn in the treble will open up a bit on the AT's. Even right out of the box I'm really impressed. But it is a widely known fact that I do like me some bass.....
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