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post #106 of 176
cn11, I see you have the Cowon S9 with IE8, CKS70 and AH-C710. Which of those 3 IEMs do you think is the best for listening to Trance with the S9?

What I like is highly extended and good quality low-end sub-bass, so the music gets a top notch foundation like a good quality/tuned Car subwoofer. What I really do not like is too much boomy mid-bass (because it can make the sound too bassy/warm/muffled and overwelmes the mids). For the mids and highs: I like smooth mids and extended highs with very good clarity and detail without being harsh or fatigue. Soundstage must be wide and deep with good positional audio. I prefer a laidback sound signature (not too forward and agressive) so I can turn up the volume without problems.
post #107 of 176
Unfortunately I don't listen to trance (just don't have any in my music collection), but IEM's with more of a laid-back sound signature are awesome with the S9. I will do some listening to the CKS70's with it once I get back in town from a quick two day trip, and report back on how the synergy is. But the IE8's are stellar with the S9, once you find the right combination of BBE/equalizer. The somewhat 'mechanical' sound of the S9 nicely complements the mellow nature of the Sennheisers. I would imagine the AT's would be very similar. I found the Denon C710 to be too energetic with it. They really need the mellow sound of the X1060.
post #108 of 176
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Originally Posted by Alexander01 View Post
cn11, I see you have the Cowon S9 with IE8, CKS70 and AH-C710. Which of those 3 IEMs do you think is the best for listening to Trance with the S9?
While I don't have the S9, my preferences of the C710, IE8, and CKS70 for trance (even though my C710 was sold) would be the C710. Now, for other music, I prefer the IE8, as the C710 can have bite. What I don't like about the CKS70 for trance is the treble response, as comparatively, it seems too recessed and not extended enough for my liking. Opposite of the C710!
post #109 of 176

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Originally Posted by a_recording View Post
This is the strange feeling I'm getting when I'm using the cks70's on my S739, with about 10 hours of burn in now.

I know, coming from the RE0's, that these are pretty unbalanced earphones. They aren't terrible, but in terms of instrument seperation, clarity, etc, they are no match for the RE0's. In fact the CKS70's remind me of better versions of my old sony EX-85's. I find it difficult to listen to them without EQing them quite drastically - cutting back some of the mid-bass, upping the mids, upping the highest treble ranges (while avoiding raising 6khz because of the noticeable sibilance.) I'm hoping what dweaver says about the mids/highs clearing up around 80hrs is true, because right now they are really obviously nowhere near as resolving as the RE0's at the other end of the scale.

However, the funny thing is, that these are really, terrifically enjoyable to listen to once you've played around with the EQ. The bass response all the way down to the bottom seems to give all my music a new sort of 'floor', giving everything from vocals to electronic beats a really full, dynamic sound. Cello's in particular were the big standout differences for me.

As others have noticed, they make my RE0's sound anaemic in comparison - even when they have been EQ'ed.

At this point I'm really wondering if I'm enjoying these a lot because it's a new novelty to actually have some bass, or because they are good. All I can say is that AT's sub-bass chamber configuration really delivers, in a way that is quite controlled and punchy. I wonder if AT coupled this design with some really high end dynamic drivers, and really engineered for a high end 'audiophile' grade IEM, what wonderful IEM they would produce. (And yes, the big bold "SOLID BASS" and "OVERWHELMING BASS" stickers on the CKS70 packaging is what suggests to me that the target market for these IEM's is not high end.)
i completely agree, and ive told people this, but they dont listen, iguess in the end curiosity gets the better of us, i think for a bass forward iem u should like the ue5 eb, others would say recessed highs as well, but compared tot he cks70 it is far far far better, i did countless comparrison's between the two, and it seems that ue always delivers much tighter harder punch, cks70 just seemed muddy and veiled and made even the highs of the ue5eb sound good and clear

i prefer fx500 over the cks70 as well
post #110 of 176
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Originally Posted by dweaver View Post
I do believe these are very good IEM's for the buck but they are still mid-fi as are any headphone I have listened to in this price range. The thing for me is mid-fi usually mean compromise. In the case of these phones the compromise is massive bass and soundstage at the cost of the mids and highs. The Klipsch had better highs but at the cost of some sibilance and lower soundstage and obviosly not as much bass.

I do have to say these are the least AT sounding headphone I have ever listened to. They really do remind me of Sennheiser headphones. I also have to say I may be liking the novelty of massive bass that actually sounds good. But if you have anything less than 30 hours on these, the bass is actually not settled down yet and the mids and highs don't start to come into their stride until around the 80 hour mark.

One last thing, these sound good unamped but a nice analytical amp realy does do them wonders.

i got the denon c710 for the same price as cks70 and the c710 are way better imo, ironically their main problem is the exact opposite of the cks70 problem,, c710 with their too forward highs which are prone to sibilance.
i would definitley go c710 before cks70, c710 made cks70's bass sound muddy and lackin tight punch, and the c710 highs made cks70 sound so muffled, a huge difference

c710 did require a really long burn to tame their hgihs,, which are still too forward, but are one of only three bass iem's im keeping in my stable


you seem to be quite the audio technica fan
post #111 of 176
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Originally Posted by cn11 View Post
Well if it's any sort of indication, I immediately like the CKS70 better than the Triples (I got a pair from that crazy deal of the century). I'm sure with burn in the treble will open up a bit on the AT's. Even right out of the box I'm really impressed. But it is a widely known fact that I do like me some bass.....
it iss amazing that u prefer the cks70 to the triplefi
if u get a good amp on the tpfi they have quite a bit of punch, alot more than you would think i have found

i much prefer the triplefi to ie8, c710, and definitley cks70

but then again i hated the ie8 so much that maybe i should prefer the cks70 over them,,, i actually had two pair of the ie8. the second time i got them and just lol, i also prefer the c710 and fx500 toi the ie8

i use triplfi 10vi the most,, amp those things and you will be happy
post #112 of 176
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Originally Posted by macshooter View Post
Slightly frustrated SE530 owner here who was looking in the direction of the IE8 to satisfy my need for more bass that the SE530 just doesn't provide, no matter how much I want to be happy with them. However, thanks to this thread and others on the CKS70 I have decided to go that route. Ordered them from AJ, guess I'll be waiting a week or two for them to get here.
im interessted to hear a shure ss530 pth vs triplefi 10vi review, i needed a mic so i considered se530, i read it has more bass than triple fi maybe but im not sure about that,, i felt the triplefi had way more punch and rich full sound than the ie8, unless i gott two epperate pairs of fake ie8's, i think they suck and i hated them.
post #113 of 176
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Originally Posted by dweaver View Post
Well I let both my brothers try these and they are both now wanting a pair. I am really interested to see how the TF10's stack up. I am semi convinced I will be selling the TF10's in fairly short order as I still find these phones to be engrossing.
dont do it
post #114 of 176
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Originally Posted by Stickyfoot View Post
I'll definitely do a write-up comparing both once my TF10s get here. The CKS70s should be well broken-in by then. Supposedly because of the balanced armatures, the Triple.Fis won't need the burn-in period that dynamic phones usually require. So I hear, anyway.
yes ive heard this many times that t triplfi (balanced armateuurs) dont need burn in,

none the less i found that they sound much betterr with time, albeit not as much as a significant difference as other iem's but noticeably better and smoother none the less, and the highs edven so wooderfully and clearerly,
ive yet to find an iem with such clear highs that dont hurt my ears
the respond so awesome to bass eq too, so much more puncch than people realize, once u properly amp them,, they have the exquisite punch imo,, truly full rich sound and punch,,, if an iem has more basss and not as much punch, whats the point?

all i can say is that triplefi 10 via lisaa III is freakin sweet and it sounds alot better and alot more bass than my predator
post #115 of 176
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Originally Posted by slowpickr View Post
I have read that the Atrio M5's are IEM bass kings (so to speak). Has anyone compared these to the Atrios? I'm thinking about getting a pair of these from accesoryjack. I love IEMs with lots of bass and sound stage. It sounds like these fit the bill.
cks70 has alot more bass, but atrio is more refined,, both mids sound a bit thin and recessed, but the lack of a high end in the cks70 gives the extremly comfortable trio the upper hand imo.
post #116 of 176
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Originally Posted by cn11 View Post
I got in on that deal with the Triples too.... I owned them once before, and remember them in a significantly better light than I hear this set. I agree the top end is great on the Triples, but I feel that's the only area they better the AT's. I think the AT's midrange presentation is also much better than the Triples, being more open and relaxed sounding. The TF10's sound sort of thin, nasally, and compressed to me by comparison. It's weird, because I don't remember the first pair this way. I also remember being much more satisfied by the bass, especially for a BA driver IEM. Of course that was before I'd owned the IE8, FX500, Denon C710, and now the CKS70. I'm beginning to think there are certain things a good dynamic driver IEM can do which the current crop of universal BA IEM's can't accomplish. Neither the IE8's nor the CKS70's have the same choked in feeling from the bass up through the mids, to my ears.
there is no way the cks70 has better mids than triplefi,,,
post #117 of 176
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Originally Posted by Stickyfoot View Post
^ I thought the same thing before my TF10s showed up, but now that I've had both headphones side-by-side for a few days, I've thought better of it.

The bottom line is that I'm going to keep both pairs. For me, they perfectly complement each other, with the ATs covering the bassy and "guilty fun" end of the spectrum and the UEs covering the clear and clean top side. I love having my bases covered like this, and it would be really tough to give either of them up now.

If I was absolutely forced to choose one to keep, I would have to go with the TF10s (probably reshelled for fit) for their better overall presentation and SQ. That being said, they only cost me about $15 more than the CKS70s. If we're talking about straight-up, bang-for-the-buck at retail there's no contest.
i totally agree you need at least two pairs,, because no one pair of iem's will do everything u want,

only difference is that i much prefer the ue5eb to the cks70 but i use the tripklefi most, ue5e8 is awesome for movies and most music, probably not fusion jazz,

i just bought some triplefi for christmass gifts this year and i gotem for 150 on ebay.. thats pretty sweet considering for my pair i paid 290
post #118 of 176
What I don't like about the CKS70 for trance is the treble response, as comparatively, it seems too recessed and not extended enough for my liking. Opposite of the C710!


i totally agree the cks70 and c710 are polar opposites in regard to their high end.. i prefer the c710 over the cks70
post #119 of 176
Im curious which one (C710, IE8 or CKS70) have the best sub-bass feeling? What I always like while listening to Trance is a huge foundation (low-end) that feels if you are n a big room with a high quality tuned subwoofer. What I don't like with Trance is too much mid-bass because it can create a bassy/muddy/too warm sound that overwhelms the mids.
post #120 of 176
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Originally Posted by RockinCannoisseur View Post
there is no way the cks70 has better mids than triplefi,,,
To my ears they do. I swear things sound thin and nasally in the mids with the TF10's, like they're coming through a straw. Not good. By comparison, the bass up through the mids sounds more like a nice, open breathing floor stand speaker with the CKS70's. Perhaps I just prefer the big, natural sound that dynamics deliver, I dunno.

I'll keep the Trips for a while, and maybe experiment with a Null Audio cable, or possibly even get them re-shelled, considering I got in on that killer sale.
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