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Nokia 5530 XpressMusic as a DAP - Not impressed

post #1 of 7
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I was intrigued by suggestions by some that the new Nokia XpressMusic range (especially the 5800) were in the realms of DAP-replacing, along with the 3G. So when my trusty K800i died I went for the cheaper, slimmed down 5530, with dreams of streamlining music, a camera and a media player into one device.

No such luck.

I can't comment on the 5800s sound quality, but the 5530 sounds pretty bad through my SE530s to my ears.

My first gripe is that it's WAAAAY too loud. Anything above the first few notches on the volume slider is rather painful, and using the "line out" option as has been suggested by 5800 users is too loud even on the lowest setting. What the hell were Nokia thinking pumping so much volume out? Admittedly, I'm using very sensitive IEMs, but really who uses 300ohm phones on a £100 mobile phone? It's also somewhat irresponsible to practically ENCOURAGE it's users to listen to music at ear-shattering levels. I have to use the shure attenuator before it's even usable, which is unnecessarily inconvenient.

Even with the volume in check, I'm just not impressed with the sound quality one bit. It's really worlds apart from, say, the Sansa Clip or Cowon S9. Far too artificial sounding, and the bass is definitely fatiguing to my ears.

Am I missing something? Is the 5530 not up to the standards of the 5800 or am I just not impressed by the whole range? Has anyone listened to both the 5800 and 5530 who can compare? If this is as good as it gets for non Apple music phones, that's pretty depressing.

However I feel I should add that aside from the poor sound quality I'm extremely impressed with the 5530 overall, with my only other gripe being that the camera is pretty bad in low light, and definitely not up to the standard of my ancient K800i. I hope I don't discourage anyone, since I still think it's by far the best touchscreen phone in it's price bracket when you consider features and specs. I just don't think it's worth using it as a DAP when you can pick up something like the Clip so cheaply.
post #2 of 7
Lineout suppose to be loud, changing the volume on the phone wont affect much. Without Lineout enabled, the volume control still pretty broken due to 10%/increment.

For 5800, sound is overall warm, with really forward mid. The upper high a bit harsh and not detailed. Soundstage a bit closed and narrow. All based on comparison against nano 3G (unamped) i currently have. So it's nowhere perfect.

P.S: There's minor tweak in sound signature/SQ in almost all the firmware updates. So next firmware updates might change it for good (or for worst)
post #3 of 7
Why so loud? Because most of people uáse sotck earbuds and go with volume on max, to drown out noice for example from public transport. I knew many people like this, wjich complain that tehir phone / player isnt loud enough.

And I agree with you, I listen to friend's 5530 and my Cowon and iphone smah it down(on Etymotic HF 5 and Sennheiser IE8).
post #4 of 7
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In my experience firmware updates don't do much for sound sig/quality, so not holding my breath for that. It'd have to be a dramatic improvement.

This kinda sucks. I would have thought that by now a phone with "music" in the title would be at least competitive with decent DAPs. I mean if Sansa, Sony, Cowon, Creative etc can do what they do in teeny weeny players costing as little as £20, surely it can't be TOO hard to come close in a phone. Maybe there's a technical reason for this? I just find it hard to swallow that short of shelling out on a hefty contract for a 3G, there are no real options for (decent) headphone owners who appreciate the convenience of having everything in one device.

MOAN MOAN MOAN!
post #5 of 7
expressmusic series are better at expressing music to others through built in speaker, the upcoming x series should hopefully compete with walkman x series
post #6 of 7
In this case the volume is probably dictated by sensitivity more than impedance. In a quiet room I couldn't use more than 2/30 on an SE530 with the Sony NW-HD1 (HDD player), and my Xperia X1 (phone) was too loud without an attenuator.

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Originally Posted by CloseToTheHedge View Post
I would have thought that by now a phone with "music" in the title would be at least competitive with decent DAPs.
I think I know what you're "missing". I remember a few years ago, coming from the cassette-->CD-->MD-->MP3 player world, it was a very big shock for me to see the general quality of mobile phone hardware. Cheap plastic, paint chipping way too early from the outside, and inside they often advertise immature features that don't deliver. And yet they're usually way more expensive than the non-connected DAPs.

So the value proposition of this world (i.e. what you get for what you pay) is totally different to the general DAP/PMP world. And I would argue this is the real reason why the iPhone is so significant - though it costs as much as everyone else, it gives up comparatively little of a dedicated iPod's sound and music browsing qualities. Everyone else still can't quite hit both out of the ballpark yet, in spite of having the resources to do exactly that, because they come from an older world where our "subpar" is more than what they're used to offering for the money.

My X1 is tested to have better sound quality stats than the iPhone (see gsmarena.com), but (a) in practice it doesn't necessarily sound better, (b) it's a mess if you want to load even 4GB of music and use it in a meaningful DAP way, and (c) the volume control is split into two. I don't think it's for technical reasons, it's just an egotistical industry.
post #7 of 7
I just picked up a 5530 yesterday and first impressions aren't that bad. I've put a varied range of music on and tested it with my modded Marshmallows, using the headphone option (as against line out).

Firstly, while the phone is pretty loud, but the bottom half of the volume scale is usable. The far bigger problem is as Toughnut said, the slider only being split into ten just isn't enough.

On the default EQ setting, the bass is way over the top (the Marshmallows won't help this either). I've not been messing about long enough to get a perfect custom EQ setting sorted yet, but switching to the Jazz preset actually gives a pretty nice sound - I'm listening to Liam Finn + EJ on it now and it's doing a fine job. Detail is good (mp3@320) and while the balance is still tipped towards the lower frequencies, first impressions are it's very listenable. Switching to my AT ATH-CKM50s and everything actually gets really quite good...

Compared with my GBP30 Sony player, I don't see why the phone couldn't replace it. When you consider everything else the phone can do (mp4 playback in stunning quality and the ability to stream BBC DAB stations over 2G are favourites so far) and how the production cost must be broken down, it's a miracle it sounds better than a GBP10 mp3 player, never mind as good as a GBP30 one.

@CloseToTheHedge - Sorry if I sound over-defensive! Have you got the latest firmware (11.0.054)? I'm not sure if it will make a difference as I didn't listen before I updated this morning, but it's worth a try.
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