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post #181 of 881
^ I haven't had the benefit of hearing the CK10 as you have, but I'm surprised to read your comment that it has a larger soundstage than the TF10. That does not accord with any of the other posts that I've read comparing the two phones. Also, I happen to find the TF10's treble to be lively, sparkly but smooth. I don't hear it as sharp per se but it is sharper in presentation compared to the IE8, which renders treble with excellent extension but presents it more "softly" than the TF10 IMO.
post #182 of 881
soozieq, I don't know whether you still have your TF10 (however, I do know that you didn't enjoy it as much this time around) but how does it compare to the CK10?
post #183 of 881
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post #184 of 881
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^ I haven't had the benefit of hearing the CK10 as you have, but I'm surprised to read your comment that it has a larger soundstage than the TF10. That does not accord with any of the other posts that I've read comparing the two phones. Also, I happen to find the TF10's treble to be lively, sparkly but smooth. I don't hear it as sharp per se but it is sharper in presentation compared to the IE8, which renders treble with excellent extension but presents it more "softly" than the TF10 IMO.
Curretly listening to a Fuze -> Film cap dock LOD -> Shadow. I think the TF10 improves quite a bit with this amp, and the CK10, not too sure as I have not had enough time with it yet and have not A/Bed it with the sources.

First, I am sharing what I am hearing, so if that doesn't agree with others, that doesn't change the way I hear it. The presentation of the TF10 is more laid back and seems to have a wider focus than the CK10, but the actual total space is wider with the CK10 than with the TF10. For example people clapping in Hotel CA and Layla are more spaced out with the CK10 and the woman walking at the beginning of West End Girls starts from a little further out with the CK10. TF10 does have a wider and more laid back presentation but the CK10 reaches further for the surrounding sounds.

OK, Seal - Crazy (acoustic) - The TF10 really does sound good and actually with this song I think the treble is smoother, but less accurate on the TF10 then the CK10, as the CK10 treble does seem a little sharper. Pink Floyd - Any Color You Like - the TF10 sounds a little unrefined vs. the CK10 in the treble range, as well as everywhere else. So, the TF10 improves more with the Shadow than the CK10 improves IMO, definitely closer than when using the Fuze HPO. But it depends on the song, as the CK10 treble sounded better to me in some songs, and the TF10 in others with the Shadow.

Overall with the Shadow the TF10 pulls closer to the CK10, but the CK10 still has more micro detail and accuracy, and the TF10 has more bass and a little more treble extension.
post #185 of 881
Are you sure you're not confusing soundstage with instrument separation?
post #186 of 881
Yep, I am sure. I am hearing clapping coming from a further out spot (wider) with the CK10 than with the TF10, but the overall front and center presentation of the TF10 is a little wider and further back.

Also, I switched from the Shadow to the AMP3 and my impressions went back to the TF10 being far behind the CK10. To me the CK10 seems to be easier to drive than the TF10, which benefits greatly from the Shadow. It doesn't benefit as much from a P-51 as the Shadow. Source matters quite a bit IMO.

And I think the CK10 might actually sound better in the mids and treble from the AMP3 than with the Shadow. Of course the Shadow produces better bass and doesn't have any hiss...
post #187 of 881
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Changed thread title to reflect new CK10 discussion.
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Perhaps you should consider expanding the thread title to include the PFE, TF10 and sundry other earphones that have been compared to the CK10 and the e-Q7, along with corresponding post references.
post #188 of 881
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^ You're right, I'm already considering "Everything you always wanted to know about IEMs but were afraid to ask".
post #189 of 881
How about The james444 Anthology of IEMs
post #190 of 881
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Yep, I am sure. I am hearing clapping coming from a further out spot (wider) with the CK10 than with the TF10, but the overall front and center presentation of the TF10 is a little wider and further back.

Also, I switched from the Shadow to the AMP3 and my impressions went back to the TF10 being far behind the CK10. To me the CK10 seems to be easier to drive than the TF10, which benefits greatly from the Shadow. It doesn't benefit as much from a P-51 as the Shadow. Source matters quite a bit IMO.

And I think the CK10 might actually sound better in the mids and treble from the AMP3 than with the Shadow. Of course the Shadow produces better bass and doesn't have any hiss...
Okay, so can you please tell me the approximate distance between the applause of the audience members as rendered by the CK10 compared to the TF10? I'd appreciate you providing these measurements in metric thank you.
post #191 of 881
Won't the ie8 foams work on it?it seems to have wide nossel too.
post #192 of 881
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Okay, so can you please tell me the approximate distance between the applause of the audience members as rendered by the CK10 compared to the TF10? I'd appreciate you providing these measurements in metric thank you.
Your remark is ironic but dead on. We're talkin subtle variations in tiny details here and there. Now, if you're getting bored with this and really wanna go for something markedly different you'd have to reconsider the FAD/Voyager option.
post #193 of 881
That's one option. Another is to leave this forum, begin the chant of "the law of diminishing returns" and hopefully regain my sense of perspective.
post #194 of 881
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Okay, so can you please tell me the approximate distance between the applause of the audience members as rendered by the CK10 compared to the TF10? I'd appreciate you providing these measurements in metric thank you.
This whole line of questioning is reminding me of A Few Good Men. "You want the truth, you can't handle the truth!" The CK10 presentation seems more realistic to me, kinda like a smaller scale IE8 whereas the TF10 soundstage can sound a little compressed in comparison even though the main stage is slightly wider. Oh, and here is a response to my TF10 soundstage comment in another thread.

As I have been saying all along, they present differently, with the CK10 sounding much preferred with all sources I have tried except the Shadow.

Diminishing returns, that is always true from every step from Apple buds (well, for the gear with good SQ for the price). The only person I can speak for is myself, and I say the CK10 is worth it to me. I won't be selling the TF10 as I want to see how it performs with the Arrow and Slim. Plus, you may prefer the sound signature of the TF10 regardless of the source, or it may sound better with your source.

And you will only truly understand what I have been saying if you heard the CK10 yourself. And even then experience is open to interpretation.
post #195 of 881
wooohhooo,i just placed my order for the ck10 but i know i wont get them now because i am out of my country and wont return till Mondy 15,my mum or sister will receive them instead,i have a feeling that i will like them for trance because of the airness and clarity that you guys are talking about in the ck10
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