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post #166 of 881
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Originally Posted by cn11 View Post
soozieq-
I happen to agree with you here. When I had the Ortofon's I knew something about the fit wasn't right, and as a result the whole sound picture suffered, with perhaps the exception of the treble being pretty close to as described in reviews, but probably still somewhat off too. The bass and soundstage especially were nothing like the impressions here, nothing. The way everything seemed off made me realize the seal was suspect for me. I simply had to give up on them and move on. Most IEM's seem to need a solid seal to achieve the fullness of their range, with one exception being the IE8's.
Yeah, if you don't get a good fit with the e-Q7, it will sound awful. I know from experience. But with a good fit - they are superb.
post #167 of 881
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Originally Posted by james444 View Post
Initial thoughts, like their siblings (the N1) the Sonias are very good. I suppose both use the same drivers. Bass is again too much from a flat source, but they respond well to EQ. Alumi(ni)um housing makes them a bit brighter while the wooden N1 are smoother. Both have incredible extension and detail for the price. I mean there's so much buzz here about the budget Cyclones and those €15 Playaz surpass both the PR1 Pros and PR2 with ease. But enough OT rambling in my own thread. They'll have their own place soon...
lol.. thanks james444 for easing my curiousity. I just might have to... lol
post #168 of 881
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Originally Posted by Pianist View Post
Yeah, if you don't get a good fit with the e-Q7, it will sound awful. I know from experience. But with a good fit - they are superb.
Yeah, makes me a bit sad that I didn't hear what was described. The user comments here make them sound like a wonderful IEM.
post #169 of 881
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Originally Posted by soozieq View Post
Yes. I drew the same conclusions and posted about that in the IE8 thread over a year ago. But the difference is that the IE8 aren't designed to sit so deep in your ears anyway, and forcing them in just exaggerated the bass and made the mids too hot for me! The IE8 is the only phone I owned that actually required a looser seal to sound more balanced, so perhaps that phone is just an exception? It's certainly not the norm to need a looser seal in my experience.
x2. IMO such design is also only possible with dynamic drivers. I don't think any BA-phone would sound good with loose seal.
post #170 of 881
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Originally Posted by average_joe View Post
I agree that the CK10 needs deeper insertion, but I can't achieve it without the Ety mushroom tips. I guess I need to buy a bunch. Anyways, if I didn't have those tips and stretch them on, I wouldn't feel the way I do now. I still have to try triple flanges that aren't cut down, though (I do have some).



I would say wait for your ultimate conclusion until you try tips that extend deeper into your ears. That may also decrease the volume of air in the ear canal, improving the bass response.
I think this is very good advice. I was very frustrated with the Ck10s when they arrived. The stock tips hurt and I felt like the little IEMs were going to go into my ear all the way (with small tips). I could not get a clear, clean nor comfy seal with the hybrids either. With both, I could get the highs and mids, but they sounded somewhat etched and a little harsh. Bass was also there, but not strong.

Then, thanks to mp3, who posted to try the modded tri-flanges, out of nowhere. I had some on hand from my Westones, so I gave it shot. Wow, what a difference! I was in love with this IEM. Still am.

I had been using the Clear Bass at +1 or +2, depending on the tracks from earlier tips. And left it that way.

Today, I tried using a Shure bi-flange cut from the tri-flange (just out of curiosity and someone's request for a listen before they chopped up their only pair) and was not happy with the sound. Back to the tri-flanges. Happy again. Then, based on the CK10 bass discussion here, wheh I went out to shovel snow (20 inches here) with the CKs under my hat, I turned off the Clear Bass, and wow, there was bass there. A series of hip hop tracks came on, and I realized that while I could still use the Clear bass and they sounded fine, without any EQ the CK10 also sounded excellent. They are a little were more balanced, but not bass is there, not recessed.

This hobby is so frustrating, as this scenario vividly demonstrates.
post #171 of 881
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Originally Posted by Ihatepopupads View Post
I'm really interested in those little CK 10's . I think they might be a great back up to my denon C 710. I'm just really wondering how the bass is ? I don't mind using clear bass on my S639 . I'm more interested in the quality then the quantity like pianist so how bout it Julie

TS, interesting that you say they're very balanced . Wouldnt eq'ing them to add bass change the balance you like so much ?

Just curious . I mean I had add eq for the PFE and I'm definity not a purest, but the less I have to add the better
See my post above. Also, I never said I initially found them so amazing because of their balance. I just believe they are balanced phones, not bass lite or recessed.

I, like Soozieq, found the Sony Clear Bass a nice complement to their overall sound. You can in fact click up the EQ a notch or two, and they still sound excellent. Depends on your tastes, I suppose. What adding the Sony Clear Bass does not do is muddy up the CK10s at all, as the bass QUALITY is fantastic, even if EQ'd. I don't touch any of the other EQ sliders, just as an FYI.

However, upon my listening experience today and all the debate and discussion of the CK10 bass, I have decided to try to listen without EQ and see if it holds up. I think it just might. I agree with Joe. Deep insertion tips are required for the best sound from these phones. Oddly, AT doesn't supply any with the phones. He went the Ety mushroom route, I am using the Shure tri-flanges. I believe the latter is the best path for me, since they don't bother me from a comfort POV.
post #172 of 881
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Originally Posted by cn11 View Post
soozieq-
I happen to agree with you here. When I had the Ortofon's I knew something about the fit wasn't right, and as a result the whole sound picture suffered, with perhaps the exception of the treble being pretty close to as described in reviews, but probably still somewhat off too. The bass and soundstage especially were nothing like the impressions here, nothing. The way everything seemed off made me realize the seal was suspect for me. I simply had to give up on them and move on. Most IEM's seem to need a solid seal to achieve the fullness of their range, with one exception being the IE8's.
So, it can be true for the IE8, but not for the CK10? Hmmm, interesting.

And I am not saying there is no seal, but a better seal could bring out more bass, or as I stated above, maybe it is the volume reduction of the deeper tips. And actually logic and physics tells me that it is more than likely the volume reduction. Regardless, the CK10 is not bass lite to me, but also doesn't have exaggerated bass, and very enjoyable to me! Nothing like the PFE with the gray filters!
post #173 of 881
Joe,is the bass quality better than that of the ie8?how about treble,is it fatiguieng?thx.
post #174 of 881
Well, first, the treble...I don't think the IE8 treble is fatiguing at all and think it may be the smoothest I have heard. And doing an A/B I do prefer the IE8 treble, as it does sound more extended and more natural, or organic. The CK10 treble does seem a little more detailed and clearer, but not as smooth. The CK10 treble is very listenable and non-fatiguing to me, a step up from the TF10 IMO.

Bass: Pendulum - Slam: the IE8 has more reverb than the CK10, and this is not CK10's strength, but it is not bad. Flo Rida - Low, AvB - Sail, etc actually can kick pretty good with the CK10, reminding me of the PFE with the black filter.

The rendering of the piano in Queen - Forever sounds better with the CK10, as it is clearer and more like you have great seats for the performance! And One Republic - Apologize sound clearer and better to me with the CK10, as the IE8 mid-bass sounds to be a little too much for me, at least when A/Bing!

Another thing is the presentation is just different. If I went through all my songs, I am sure I could pick songs I prefer with one or the other. But which is better is impossible for me to say!

I used a laptop and the Fuze HPO as sources for convenience.
post #175 of 881
Thx very much Joe for your time,the ie8 treble is super smooth indeed.I know that the quantity is not the same but do you think overall the quality of bass is as ie8 or more detailed and textured?
post #176 of 881
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Originally Posted by midoo1990 View Post
Thx very much Joe for your time,the ie8 treble is super smooth indeed.I know that the quantity is not the same but do you think overall the quality of bass is as ie8 or more detailed and textured?
I would say there is more micro detail present in the CK10 bass by a little bit, but the IE8 has a more natural sounding (and extended) reverb on instruments. Texturing is about the same quality, just different, as the textures on the IE8 are richer due to the added warmth.

This actually reminds me of the PFE with the black filter and my comparison of it with the IE8, except the rest of the spectrum is better with the CK10.

Basically, with the CK10 you get better instrument precision and with the IE8 you get better natural tones. Although I would guess the live presentation may sound like a cross between the two.
post #177 of 881
Thx again,this is becoming very hard for me one last thing,how is soundstage and airness in comparison to ie8?I heard from alot of headfiers that the ck10 is airy in it's presentation.I'll probably order these tomorrow,not sure yet......
post #178 of 881
No problem, I hope this also helps!

I do find the CK10 to be airy, but of course, not as airy as the IE8 of course. But it does seem wider than the TF10 and has a great sense of space. I really was amazed by the space in Hotel CA from Hell Freezes Over. It does remind me a lot of the IE8, but with a more up close presentation and more focus on the individual instruments vs. the IE8 which presents the entire performance.
post #179 of 881
I just made my decision,another iem will be added to my collection,thx Joe,i'll hit the sack now and order tomorrow.
post #180 of 881
Hope you enjoy them as much as I do. Just remember, you will need tips that extend deep into your ears to get the bass I am hearing. Maybe buy some Ety foam mushrooms! Or Shure triple flange tips.
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