I happen to agree with you here. When I had the Ortofon's I knew something about the fit wasn't right, and as a result the whole sound picture suffered, with perhaps the exception of the treble being pretty close to as described in reviews, but probably still somewhat off too. The bass and soundstage especially were nothing like the impressions here, nothing. The way everything seemed off made me realize the seal was suspect for me. I simply had to give up on them and move on. Most IEM's seem to need a solid seal to achieve the fullness of their range, with one exception being the IE8's.