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post #16 of 32
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Thinking Out Loud

Well, it's been just about one month since I've first listened to the CX250 and I'm still enjoying them. The one thing about these canalphones is that they are very sensitive to tip choice and fit. The stock silicons, once properly worn, give exceptional bass impact and tightness, all while having great (though slightly recessed) midrange, treble clarity and extension and providing a good soundstage (which is admitedly smallish to average in this phone). With the UE singles, the extension at both ends of the frequency spectrum seem to taper off, making for a slightly mid-centric sound. The CX300 tips: avoid at all costs, as it makes everything muddy and congested.

After one month, I would probably conclude that, even with its numerous quirks and oddities, this is my favorite sub-$50 canalphone so far. Of course, I'm still wondering if I got a ringer, perhaps rogue drivers from the IE6 or something similar that found their way into CX Street line housings. The cynic in me thinks that the CX250 is the result of some sort of mishap at manufacture, and that these were only made in very limited quantity. (I hope I'm wrong. )

If I knew with certainty that everybody could get the same sound that I do out of the CX250, then I would recommend it without reservation, especially at the current price. Just be prepared to mess with tips and test your patience in regards to burn in (or lack thereof).
post #17 of 32
I have a pair of cx150 received as a christmas gift and now this thread came to my mind. I'm pretty sure there is no difference in drivers/sound between CX150/CX200/CX250, technical specs are exactly the same, differences are indeed in some of the details: CX150 are plain simple with a chrome type plug, CX200 have a gold plated plug and that little cable holder, while CX250 are equipped with a volume control and a carrying pouch.

The most important thing that make me think they should sound the same is that your description of the 250 sound perfectly applies to what I hear from my 150. At first they sounded a bit harsh and tiny, but when I got used to the sound and find the right way to fit them, I started to really appreciate the separation and the treble extension. The bass, that at first was boomy and distant, now is very heavy and deep, but the good thing is that it remains in some measure separated from the rest of the frequencies.

In a side by side comparision with my CX400, 150s are less congested and more airy, even if the mids and vocals are still a bit recessed, somewhat again just a tad harsh and sibilant but with a touch of transparency.

What I really like of these tiny canalphones is the treble speed, I'm having a lot of fun listening to Megadeth's guitar solos on "Killing Is My Business..." (try with Mechanix and These Boots If you like old good bay area thrash metal). BTW, fitting is the key IMHO: after some trying, i've found that putting them in as they are made for is the best way (keeping the contoured part between index and thumb and point straight to the ear canal). A strange thing is that even if they don't look so, they are slightly bigger than old CX series (at least they are if compared side by side to my CX400) and they go a bit deeper in the ear when inserted.

As they are only 12,90 here in a local store, I think they are an absolute steal and I think I'll buy a spare one in the next days...

Many thanks for your review and updates
Cheers
K.
post #18 of 32
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Thanks for the CX150 impressions kurtzi! Glad you're enjoying the CX150s. Your thoughts seem to mirror my impressions of the CX250, so I wouldn't be surprised if they indeed used the same driver. (Still not sure about the CX200 since some have described it as muddy, an attribute that I don't associate with the CX250.) I appreciate your comparison with the CX400 as it confirms, at least for now, that I'm not completely crazy!

After comparing my CX250 and CX300, I can indeed confirm that the CX250's housings are slightly larger as they appear to be wider than the older housing. It's funny because the rounder shape and the contours make the housings seem a tad smaller. Great tip on the fitment as well, as these are rather picky with placement.

Now of course I'm in a bit of a dilemma. I'm not sure whether I should purchase a pair of CX150s for comparison, or if I should instead get a spare CX250. Also, I've been wanting to do a humble comparison review with the JVC FXC50 and Meelec M9, but I feel I may not be objective. I've been having some trouble getting the right sound out of the Meelecs (I've tried numerous tips, from stock to Comply to Sony Hybrid), so I feel any evaluation may not be fair. If there's one thing I've learned from the Sennheisers, it's that it's critical to give the product a chance before giving up on it completely. In this specific case, I'm glad I did!
post #19 of 32
I would be interested in the FXC50/M9/CX250 comparison. A tip for the M9, they work best with less isolating tips. The instinct is the opposite but a tighter seal or foams make them too thick and hurt detail retrieval and clarity. Try the the stock bi-flange not quite as deeply inserted.
post #20 of 32
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Thanks for the tip jant. It's strange because the problem I'm having is just the opposite. What I'm hearing when the M9s are deeply inserted (either with medium Hybrids or the stock bi-flanges) is a nice taut bass accompanied by thinner midrange and fatiguing lower treble. The midrange I'm hearing seems to make certain female vocals sound slightly metallic or thin, a characteristic I usually associate with having a lack of proper seal. The other tip I tried was the small Hybrid shoved as far as the housing would go, but that in turn gave me boomy, muddy bass. I've owned the M9s for close at least a couple of months and I have yet to find the sweet spot.

EDIT: Just tried the medium Hybrid tips again and am impressed with what I'm hearing. Not sure what I did wrong the last time, but it's all good! I'll start that comparison review in a new thread after I write it up. Just don't expect anything too fancy or elaborate.
post #21 of 32
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Originally Posted by kjk1281 View Post
Also, I've been wanting to do a humble comparison review with the JVC FXC50 and Meelec M9, but I feel I may not be objective.
I've had the fxc50 for a while and could not have a stable fit with them: I've tried every possibile way of putting them in, they keeped loosing the seal and fall off. From what I remember, they had a bass that was too boomy for me and the highs was a bit on the harsh side, less clean than what I hear from cx150. But, due to the fitting problems and not so much use of the fxc50, my memory can be wrong...

Cheers
K.
post #22 of 32
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by kurtzi View Post
I've had the fxc50 for a while and could not have a stable fit with them: I've tried every possibile way of putting them in, they keeped loosing the seal and fall off. From what I remember, they had a bass that was too boomy for me and the highs was a bit on the harsh side, less clean than what I hear from cx150. But, due to the fitting problems and not so much use of the fxc50, my memory can be wrong...

Cheers
K.
Interesting since we seem to be two of the few people who feel the FXC50 has boomy bass. I agree with your assessment, though I actually had a pretty good fit with my pair.

Anyway, here's my comparison review if you're interested: http://www.head-fi.org/forums/f103/c...-cx250-463542/
post #23 of 32
Ok finally got these today.

First off, I am absolutely sure that they are a Sennheiser product seeing as how I almost lost a finger trying to open the packaging and ended up having to resort to a box cutter anyway. Noone can design packaging that's harder to get into than Sennheiser. And then there's the fact that the cabling was coiled using a whole 4 twist-ties. Is that really necessary?

The housings are quite tiny and actually a bit hard to grip, but they fit great either cord-up or cord-down, unlike my current $20 faves, the Meelec M9s.

Anyway, sticking them in my ears with zero burn-in and after spending all day listening to the much more expensive and rather good Senn PX200-II they lack clarity and sound a bit congested. This should clear up over time. The sound is warm and bass seems to be deep but with softened impact. I wouldn't call it tight but it's pretty enjoyable. Hoping for some positive changes over time but from memory these definitely aren't as bad as the CX300.

Going to give them 100 hours of burn-in now.
post #24 of 32
Thread Starter 
Thanks |joker| for the first impressions. I'm really interested to read the changes (if any) with burn-in since I was wrestling with the fit for the first several days. I do remember them being slightly bassier once I achieved a good fit but I can't recall any congestion. I know early on that I wasn't a big fan of the soundstage as its horizontal width much more narrow than I would like.
post #25 of 32
I got a loaner pair of CX250 today. My impressions...

Well built but I would still prefer no VC. Might need longer tips or larger(need to go up one size) since they have a short soundtube and are more shallow fitting earphones. I would still like a cord slider. No issues, more preference. The whole cable set-up is the exact same as on the MX65-II I had.

I went to medium Shure Clear flex sleeves after a quick listen. My impressions are with those tips, FWIW. Soundstage is a bit narrow as mentioned. Due to treble roll-off? Shure tips fixed that nicely. Having had the older CX95 model, I would say these are about as good as those even though a lower model.

They seem to have the traits of the PX200-II, a house sound or approach appears evidence in the newer models. Good soundstage with better depth than previously. Good clarity and separation. Nice delicacy. The CX95 had a certain amount of bass presence at all times whilst the PX-200II and the CX250 hold true to the recordings better and will vary the amount. Again, more depth and 3-D quality to the image. The CX can't run with the PX but it tries to do the same things. Speed and pacing is improved. Quicker and doesn't smear. The CX95 might have had tighter bass but can't cope with the complex stuff as well.

At whatever price you can get them, $20 or up to $30 the CX250 are worth it. As with many earphones they can benefit from better tips.

I said it before, quite excited for Senn's newer stuff based on the more recent offerings. the Senn veil is gone even from the lowest models. I think the next IE's will really be killers!
post #26 of 32
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Thanks for the impressions jant71. Interesting that the PX200-II and CX250 share similar characteristics. With your impressions and |joker|'s comparison review it's even harder for me to not get a pair of the PX200-IIs.

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Originally Posted by jant71 View Post
I said it before, quite excited for Senn's newer stuff based on the more recent offerings. the Senn veil is gone even from the lowest models. I think the next IE's will really be killers!
Agreed. Makes me interested in trying some of the latest offerings (not the Expression Line though since it's out of my price range).
post #27 of 32
Good thing about Senn unlike Westone, Grado and some others is that the price usually drops quick. The $90 list PX200-II is under $60 already. The Expression line is interesting from the point of how good will the top (CX980) be.

My loaner pair of CX250 is Joker's pair and still need burn-in. They do seem to share an approach but the basic signature is a bit different. The PX has less bass and some more treble. Just so you know the PX won't hit near as hard as the CX will. And the CX gives only a smaller taste of the quality of bass. Other things like layering, and positioning/imaging, tone/timbre, clarity, the speed/decay are quite similar.
post #28 of 32
Thread Starter 
That sounds like just what I'm looking for. I'll probably have to grab a pair some time in the future. Thanks for the comparison!
post #29 of 32
Ok pretty sure they're done burning in. Absolutely no change between yesterday and today. Been listening to them a bit and wow - these are some great little IEMs. I don't think they're as detailed as the M9 and the soundstage is certainly narrower (positioning seems better though), but the low end is more controlled, the overall sound is smoother, and the fun factor is off the charts. Not much bass bloat, either (unlike the CX300). Easily up there overall with the better $20-25 IEMs (M9, PL21, PL30, Beta Brainwavz).
post #30 of 32
Thread Starter 
I'm glad they're working out for you |joker|! (Sorry about the late reply.) Also, thanks for the heads-up on the CX150 Woot deal. After receiving my pair, I can confirm that the CX150 and 250 are nearly identical in sound. It's nice not having the volume controller, though I do miss the pouch, and the non-gold plated plug is a tad noisy. Still a great buy, and hopefully Woot has a few more left so others can try them out.

It really is a shame that the CX150 and CX250 were discontinued shortly after release. Very strange on Sennheiser's part, but I'm just happy that they decided to release them at all.

On a side note, and at the risk of sounding like a broken record, I must say that I really love the way these inexpensive earphones have really improved over the past year or so. These are great times for the audiophile on a budget and bargain junkies like me.
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