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post #46 of 96
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Originally Posted by MrSpenkelink View Post

^ Thank you for your reply. So would it be fair to say that the Edition 8 is indeed a hi-fidelity headphone that is worthy of comparison with the PS1000 and the HD800? 



LoL...the question should be: IS the PS1000 a hi-fidelity headphone? <--- BTW...this is a joke.

 

The Edition 8s, HD800s, DX1000, D7000, T1s, LCD-2s all have significant following here for very good reason. The PS1000 (and even GS1000) have a few very vocal fans, but no where the grassroots support of other hi-fidelity $1K+ headphones have...and I would suggest that there is good reason for that as well.

 

I did enjoy the PS1000s via my 3 or 4 different listening occasions, just not as much as all the other $1000+ headphones I've heard.


Edited by MacedonianHero - 11/2/10 at 10:51am
post #47 of 96

The reason why they don't have much followers is that they charge 2-3x as much as the respective model is worth. The MS1/SR60/80 may be reasonably priced (but only if you don't put anything apart from SQ not into consideration), but the more upwards you step, the more ridiculous things become.

 

Disclaimer: I love the Gradessandro sound nevertheless, haven't yet to find anything from the "serious" manufacturers that provides that much fun.

 

I think that is the eternal Gradessandro ambivalence...


Edited by nickchen - 11/1/10 at 11:14am
post #48 of 96
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The reason why they don't have much followers is that they charge 2-3x as much as the respective model is worth. The MS1/SR60/80 may be reasonably priced (but only if you don't put anything apart from SQ not into consideration), but the more upwards you step, the more ridiculous things become.

 

Disclaimer: I love the Gradessandro sound nevertheless, haven't yet to find anything from the "serious" manufacturers that provides that much fun.

 

I think that is the eternal Gradessandro ambivalence...


I'm a big Grado fan as well. I really love the MS1, SR225i, HF-2 and RS1i. But agree with your comments completely.

post #49 of 96

Shouldn't the over price tag apply mainly to GS1000 and PS1000? RS1i seems reasonable.

post #50 of 96
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Originally Posted by pcf View Post

Shouldn't the over price tag apply mainly to GS1000 and PS1000? RS1i seems reasonable.


I agree.

post #51 of 96
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Originally Posted by MacedonianHero View Post





LoL...the question should be: IS the PS1000 a hi-fidelity headphone?

 

The Edition 8s, HD800s, DX1000, D7000, T1s, LCD-2s all have significant following here for very good reason. The PS1000 (and even GS1000) have a few very vocal fans, but no where the grassroots support of other hi-fidelity $1K+ headphones have...and I would suggest that there is good reason for that as well.

 

So are you suggesting that the Edition 8, DX1000 and D7000 are hi-fidelity headphones but the PS1000 is not? If so, what is your basis for doing so?

 

In your posts I notice that you describe the Edition 8 and D7000 as excellent sounding headphones that lean towards having a "fun" rather than "neutral" sound signature. You tend to separate them from the LCD2, T1 and the HD800 group of headphones, that you appear to regard as demonstrating the neutrality, balance and analytical qualities that you expect from a hi-fidelity headphone costing over a thousand dollars.

 

The "good reason" to which you refer seems subject to the vagaries of personal bias and timing.

 

 


Edited by MrSpenkelink - 11/1/10 at 7:24pm
post #52 of 96
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Originally Posted by MrSpenkelink View Post



 

So are you suggesting that the Edition 8, DX1000 and D7000 are hi-fidelity headphones but the PS1000 is not? If so, what is your basis for doing so?

 

In your posts I notice that you describe the Edition 8 and D7000 as excellent sounding headphones that lean towards having a "fun" rather than "neutral" sound signature. You tend to separate them from the LCD2, T1 and the HD800 group of headphones, that you appear to regard as demonstrating the neutrality, balance and analytical qualities that you expect from a hi-fidelity headphone costing over a thousand dollars.

 

The "good reason" to which you refer seems subject to the vagaries of personal bias and timing.

 

 


LOL...this from someone who has heard none of the above.

 

I never did say that the PS1000 was NOT  a "hi-fidelity" headphones...whatever the heck that means.

 

The good reason is that ALL the headphones mentioned above not only COST LESS than the PS1000s, but SOUND BETTER. That's why they have a very minimal following around here. I thought we covered all that today.

 

I suggest you go and listen first instead of pester...pester...pester...

post #53 of 96
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Originally Posted by MacedonianHero View Post




LOL...this from someone who has heard none of the above.

 

I never did say that the PS1000 was NOT  a "hi-fidelity" headphones...whatever the heck that means.

 

The good reason is that ALL the headphones mentioned above not only COST LESS than the PS1000s, but SOUND BETTER. That's why they have a very minimal following around here. I thought we covered all that today.

 

I suggest you go and listen first instead of pester...pester...pester...

 

Your first point is not relevant to this discussion and has already been countered by myself and another Head-Fier in the Ultrasone Edition 10 thread. As I said there, I am merely questioning your line of argument, which I find to be inconsistent. 

 

You may not have stated that the PS1000 is not a hi-fidelity headphone but you clearly implied it. This is a term that you use so I presume you understand its meaning. 

 

At the risk of appearing to hold you to account, I have read your posts in which you contend that the PS1000 lacks the neutrality that you expect from a headphone costing a grand. You are now saying that the headphones you have cited cost less than the PS1000 and they do. However, you have purchased the Edition 8 LE, which retails for around the same price.

 

Having read your impressions of this headphone, it is apparent that it is not as neutral or balanced to your ears as your LCD2, T1 and HD800. So you are clearly prepared to pay $1700 for some headphones that fail to meet your stated criteria and not others based on your personal preference, which is fine.  

 

Now before you attempt to defend your purchase of the Edition 8 LE on the grounds that it is a closed phone, you did previously own the D7000, which costs considerably less and can be had for under a thousand dollars. It is arguable that the D7000 is a more accurate headphone as it has a flatter frequency response.   

 

Your claim that these headphones sound better than the PS1000 has no objective basis. It is simply your opinion, which is shared by some and not by others as this thread shows. I don't doubt the sincerity of your opinion, just your reasoning in support of it. And I don't have a problem with you preferring other highly priced headphones over the PS1000.  

 

So no, I don't think that it has all been covered today, tomorrow or the next day. 

 


Edited by MrSpenkelink - 11/1/10 at 9:47pm
post #54 of 96

Does anyone know if the ps1k drivers will fit in the gs1k shells?

 

post #55 of 96

I am a huge GS-1000 fan for what its worth.

post #56 of 96

Me, too.  

post #57 of 96
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Originally Posted by MacedonianHero View Post

The good reason is that ALL the headphones mentioned above not only COST LESS than the PS1000s, but SOUND BETTER. That's why they have a very minimal following around here. I thought we covered all that today.

 


Well, no doubt they cost more, but the sound better part is entirely your opinion and that being the reason for the minimal (vocal) following around here is just speculation put forth as fact. I absolutely classify them in the technical high end category along with the LCD-2s, HD800s, etc. I was more impressed with the PS1000s than I was with the T1s, HE5-LEs, and JH13Pros, and I had to debate which to keep, the HD800s or the PS1000s. If I listened to mostly classical music and didn't mind those damn scatchy pads, the PS1000s would have been keepers for sure and very likely my favorites. My opinion may be in the minority, but certainly I am not alone. There are plenty of very positive impressions/reviews posted on the boards here and elsewhere.

 

As Priest suggested, not many people at Head Fi have actually purchased these and brought them home for quality listening sessions on their main rigs. A lot of the negative posts about them come from people who have only had brief auditions under meet conditions but do not seem to mind writing about them as if they managed to capture the truth of the headphones in such a encounter. Many just do not like the company and substandard build quality or dislike the general house sound and enjoy bashing any product from Grado much less one that is priced higher than any of the competitors. This happens with Ultrasound as well. Even among Grado fans, there are those that think the HP-1000s are the gold standard and bash all of John Grado's output. Then there are those that love the RS1s and bash the GS1000s because their sound is unlike the other Grados.  I have owned all of them and liked each one, but they are all quite different sounding. I personally think the PS1000s are the most technically accomplished of the lot, followed by the HP-1000s, GS1000s and RS1s.

 

Sure, some people will not like the PS1000s sound signature and argue they are not so technically great, but that has been true of all the current high end offerings. I suspect their lack of a vocal following has a lot more to do with substandard build quality and dubious quality control for such high end headphones coupled with so many other safer options rather than sound quality or a slightly higher price. But, that is just my guess. How could anyone say for sure?

 

 

post #58 of 96
^ Very well put. I sometimes wish that people would simply say "I like this one", but I suppose that wouldn't make for much of a forum. 

Edited by MrSpenkelink - 11/1/10 at 10:46pm
post #59 of 96
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Originally Posted by MrSpenkelink View Post



 

Your first point is not relevant to this discussion and has already been countered by myself and another Head-Fier in the Ultrasone Edition 10 thread. As I said there, I am merely questioning your line of argument, which I find to be inconsistent. 

 

You may not have stated that the PS1000 is not a hi-fidelity headphone but you clearly implied it. This is a term that you use so I presume you understand its meaning. 

 

At the risk of appearing to hold you to account, I have read your posts in which you contend that the PS1000 lacks the neutrality that you expect from a headphone costing a grand. You are now saying that the headphones you have cited cost less than the PS1000 and they do. However, you have purchased the Edition 8 LE, which retails for around the same price.

 

Having read your impressions of this headphone, it is apparent that it is not as neutral or balanced to your ears as your LCD2, T1 and HD800. So you are clearly prepared to pay $1700 for some headphones that fail to meet your stated criteria and not others based on your personal preference, which is fine.  

 

Now before you attempt to defend your purchase of the Edition 8 LE on the grounds that it is a closed phone, you did previously own the D7000, which costs considerably less and can be had for under a thousand dollars. It is arguable that the D7000 is a more accurate headphone as it has a flatter frequency response.   

 

Your claim that these headphones sound better than the PS1000 has no objective basis. It is simply your opinion, which is shared by some and not by others as this thread shows. I don't doubt the sincerity of your opinion, just your reasoning in support of it. And I don't have a problem with you preferring other highly priced headphones over the PS1000.  

 

So no, I don't think that it has all been covered today, tomorrow or the next day. 

 


My first point is incredibly valid...you have NOT heard any of these...but yet here you continually comment on them as if you're an expert.  Secondly, my comments where my opinions formed during my real life listening sessions...not some obscure thoughts based on other people's experiences. As far as colouration....for the third time, I found the PS1000s (and GS1000s more so), the MOST coloured of all $1000+ headphones due to their extremely tipped up treble and overly excessive mid-bass hump (I even pointed out to you the Headroom graphs that completely validated my REAL WORLD experience.

So my claim that all of these headphones sound better are entirely valid to me and my experiences....yours are not simply because YOU HAVE NOT HEARD ANY OF THEM.

 

CONGRATULATIONS, you are now only the third person to go onto my ignore list...a mighty feat for someone only around for less than a month.

 

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Well, no doubt they cost more, but the sound better part is entirely your opinion and that being the reason for the minimal (vocal) following around here is just speculation put forth as fact. I absolutely classify them in the technical high end category along with the LCD-2s, HD800s, etc. I was more impressed with the PS1000s than I was with the T1s, HE5-LEs, and JH13Pros, and I had to debate which to keep, the HD800s or the PS1000s. If I listened to mostly classical music and didn't mind those damn scatchy pads, the PS1000s would have been keepers for sure and very likely my favorites. My opinion may be in the minority, but certainly I am not alone. There are plenty of very positive impressions/reviews posted on the boards here and elsewhere.

 

As Priest suggested, not many people at Head Fi have actually purchased these and brought them home for quality listening sessions on their main rigs. A lot of the negative posts about them come from people who have only had brief auditions under meet conditions but do not seem to mind writing about them as if they managed to capture the truth of the headphones in such a encounter. Many just do not like the company and substandard build quality or dislike the general house sound and enjoy bashing any product from Grado much less one that is priced higher than any of the competitors. This happens with Ultrasound as well. Even among Grado fans, there are those that think the HP-1000s are the gold standard and bash all of John Grado's output. Then there are those that love the RS1s and bash the GS1000s because their sound is unlike the other Grados.  I have owned all of them and liked each one, but they are all quite different sounding. I personally think the PS1000s are the most technically accomplished of the lot, followed by the HP-1000s, GS1000s and RS1s.

 

Sure, some people will not like the PS1000s sound signature and argue they are not so technically great, but that has been true of all the current high end offerings. I suspect their lack of a vocal following has a lot more to do with substandard build quality and dubious quality control for such high end headphones coupled with so many other safer options rather than sound quality or a slightly higher price. But, that is just my guess. How could anyone say for sure?

 

 


No issues with your two cents on where you rank the PS1000s Gu Sensi....please afford me the same respect as a fellow Head-fer who has also heard them and has formed his own opinions.

 

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Originally Posted by nc8000 View Post

I have owned the GS-1000 and liked them a lot. I heard the PS-1000 at the Danish meet in October at did not like them at all (neither did several others). They were wildly over the top, out of control boomboxes (and the pairing equipment was diverse and very good quality) so I'm wondering if they were somehow defective as I actually think they have to range as one of the worst headphones I have ever heard regardless of price. And finish was really poor for something that expensive. Also they were rather heavy and did not sit very well on the head, not much bending foreward/backward and they would fall off.

And this is from an Edition 8 owner.

 



 

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The PS-1000 came out around the same time as the HD-800 and HF-2.  I didn't think the PS-1000 was anything special.  If anything, I enjoyed the HF-2 more.  And I thought, and still think, the HD-800 was pretty special.  So I bought the HD-800 and HF-2 and was happy.


The T1 has a little too much bass for my tastes, but I generally like it.  The LCD2 is a very good headphone, but it would compete for headtime with the HD-800, not to mention the speakers.  Although I really like the LCD2, I think it'd probably spend a lot of time not being listened to.  Not a knock against a very good headphone, but I use the speakers quite a bit and tend to go for the HD-800 when I listen to headphones.  Most of my other headphones (even really good ones like the K-1000, HP-2 and O2 Mk. 1) spend a lot of time sleeping in their cases to come out when the mood strikes.  The LCD2 would probably end up like that, so I don't think I should drop the cash on a pair.

 

I have not heard the new Ultrasone, so I have no opinion on it.  I doubt it'd dethrone my speakers, though, so I don't think I'd buy a pair even if I like them.

 

 

You prefer the D7000s to the LCD-2s. I'm sure there are MANY more who would vehemently disagree with you (myself included), but you are entitled to form you own opinions based on your actual experiences.

 

No one is saying for sure that the PS1000s are OBJECTIVELY the worst $1000+ headphones, that is silly. I was simply sharing my own thoughts and reviews of said headphones (just like you and others do here every day), but our newest member who literally has zero experience with any of these headphones (Mr. Spenkelink) has decided to champion headphones that he has never heard, or make comments on my REAL life experiences....that is where I take issue.

 

As well, I still do not see a ground swell of support for appreciation threads for GS/PS1000s....and as I mentioned, one might surmise that there may be very good reason for that.


Edited by MacedonianHero - 11/2/10 at 6:43am
post #60 of 96

 Oh dear. 

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