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post #31 of 96

majkel posted:-

 

 

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Hehe, I like this one. smily_headphones1.gif The PS1000 is in the top league as the HD800 or the T1 is. 

 How true, along with the LCD-2 and K1000.

post #32 of 96
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Originally Posted by sferic View Post

Grado spends NO money on packaging, industrial design, or accessories. You are paying for sound-relevant materials, hand-assembled by audiophiles in America. Your money is going to a family business that cares about music, not a multi-national conglomerate with scads of MBA's earning 6 figures for determining the optimum packaging for each regional market.

 


Yes, they do sound good, but the craftsmanship and build quality is ridiculous. We all know that making money is an almost religious approach in North America, and I bet 60% of every Gradessandro sold get directly reinvested into John Grado's personal luxuries.

 

If other brands would (try to) have such an profit margin, a HD650 would cost 2000$ and a T1 8000$...

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Yes, they do sound good, but the craftsmanship and build quality is ridiculous. We all know that making money is an almost religious approach in North America, and I bet 60% of every Gradessandro sold get directly reinvested into John Grado's personal luxuries.

 

If other brands would (try to) have such an profit margin, a HD650 would cost 2000$ and a T1 8000$...



I won't deny that the PS1000 are very high priced, but, while I'm sure he has plenty of money,  John Grado actually still lives in the humble Brooklyn brownstone where the company got its start, not luxurious by any means. And not all of us in North America worship the dollar as you seem to insinuate. How insulting!

post #34 of 96

Yeah, we get America. We live here. Grado does not equal Bose. One good thing America got from its European heritage is an appreciation for individuality, the freedom to different even if it means being damned.

 

There's a word for assuming all people of a particular tribe are the same... escapes me at the moment... it was a really popular concept in Western Europe in the 40's... this will drive me nuts until I remember...

 

In any case, being of German heritage myself, I have a special affection for what Sennheiser & Ultrasone have accomplished. But Grado as a company is an American treasure, and though I'm sure there's some fat on the bone, maybe John could upgrade the headband and drive a Ford instead of a Mercedes (oh wait, that's a European make, totally worth every dollar) I'm pretty sure there aren't armies of privileged Ivy league MBA's earning 6 figures on Grado's payroll for playing corporate politics and producing pretty PPTs. Or in the European case, kids who went to public (private) school or whose families have noble heritage (whether still recognized publicly or just by their accent, surname, or membership in private clubs.)

 

By the way... care to break down the costs on those new Ultrasone Edition 10's? $3k, wow... I'm sure all but 20 Euros goes straight into the materials. Everyone knows the taxes, tariffs, and worker benefits in Europe are minimal. (And I say that wishing the US were a lot more like W.E., but to be fair, it's a factor in cost of production, in addition to keeping Baron Von Usone and his army of imported muslim servants well & happy).

 

All in fun my friends. I've worked for small family companies, I now work for one of the largest software companies in the world, I'd lived on 3 continents by the time I was 18. Brilliance can come from anywhere. Even North America.

 

Judge the product, not the producer.

post #35 of 96
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Not all of us in North America worship the dollar as you seem to insinuate.

Good to hear. My warmest greatings to all non-dollar-worshippers over there!

 


@sferic: Great contribution! Hope you post more often in future.

post #36 of 96

What a great read this thread is and well worth a bump. So why isn't the PS1000 keeping company with the elite HD800, T1, the new kid on the block LCD2 and the latest Ultrasone catwalk model?  

post #37 of 96
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What a great read this thread is and well worth a bump. So why isn't the PS1000 keeping company with the elite HD800, T1, the new kid on the block LCD2 and the latest Ultrasone catwalk model?  


The PS-1000 came out around the same time as the HD-800 and HF-2.  I didn't think the PS-1000 was anything special.  If anything, I enjoyed the HF-2 more.  And I thought, and still think, the HD-800 was pretty special.  So I bought the HD-800 and HF-2 and was happy.


The T1 has a little too much bass for my tastes, but I generally like it.  The LCD2 is a very good headphone, but it would compete for headtime with the HD-800, not to mention the speakers.  Although I really like the LCD2, I think it'd probably spend a lot of time not being listened to.  Not a knock against a very good headphone, but I use the speakers quite a bit and tend to go for the HD-800 when I listen to headphones.  Most of my other headphones (even really good ones like the K-1000, HP-2 and O2 Mk. 1) spend a lot of time sleeping in their cases to come out when the mood strikes.  The LCD2 would probably end up like that, so I don't think I should drop the cash on a pair.

 

I have not heard the new Ultrasone, so I have no opinion on it.  I doubt it'd dethrone my speakers, though, so I don't think I'd buy a pair even if I like them.


Edited by Uncle Erik - 10/30/10 at 3:00am
post #38 of 96

 

^ Fair enough. What interests me is whether or not the PS1000 competes with these top tier headphones in its ability to reproduce hi fidelity sound. It appears to fall short in the areas that one would expect from a headphone at this asking price, i.e., finish, ergonomics (although this doesn't seem to be the LCD2's strong suit either), attractive packaging and so on. 

 

I see that the promise of the luxurious Ultrasone Edition 10 is sending Head-Fiers who are prepared to part with the better part of three grand into raptures, but is this more a triumph of form over function? The Ultrasone Edition 10 clearly outclasses the comparatively dowdy PS1000 in the areas of visual and tactile aesthetics, but how does it compare as a transducer? Why is the PS1000 regarded as over priced at $1700 and the Ultrasone Edition 10, well, not?

 

Are headphone audiophiles no less susceptible to the vagaries of clever marketing and timing than everyone else? Does this in any way explain why the PS1000 has "dropped off the radar" in favour of the next big thing? Has an otherwise worthy top tier headphone such as the PS1000 fallen victim to being unfashionably out of sight and out of mind?  

 

post #39 of 96
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What interests me is whether or not the PS1000 competes with these top tier headphones in its ability to reproduce hi fidelity sound.


Rather not. I'd put it somwhere between a HD650 and a HD800 (but closer to the HD650) in respect of its sheer abilities (detailling, blackness, etc.). IMO nobody buys a Grado because he looks for a resolution monster, a good Grado/Alessandro is the combination of musicality with at least acceptable "audiophile honours".

 

And musicality is the section where the other top tier competitors can have issues.


Edited by nickchen - 10/30/10 at 7:10am
post #40 of 96
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Rather not. I'd put it somwhere between a HD650 and a HD800 (but closer to the HD650) in respect of its sheer abilities (detailling, blackness, etc.). IMO nobody buys a Grado because he looks for a resolution monster, a good Grado/Alessandro is the combination of musicality with at least acceptable "audiophile honours".

 

And musicality is the section where the other top tier competitors can have issues.


 

I completely agree with you on this.

post #41 of 96

The Grados have far more reach into the music than my 650s. The HD800s are very fine with tubes and I use them a lot, but they can be fatiguing with TMI if they don't have a warmish, refined, and probably very expensive chain to feed them.

The Grados can deal with lesser nutrition upstream and still sound very refined. IMHO of course.

post #42 of 96

The presence and voicing of the PS1000 has it all over the HD 800 in my opinion. To me, it is easily worth twice the RS1i, and leaves the HD 650 safely behind in all the audiophile virtues. As for why it does not get the attention on Head-Fi paid to the other top tier headphones, is it even being bought? My perception is that it is not. Which in turn may be because people are reluctant to shell out close to two grand for a headphone manufactured by a company that is well-known for paying almost no attention to comfort, appointments, and other qualities that epitomize the premium market.

post #43 of 96

^ I couldn't help noticing that you have a large collection of headphones, which includes the Ultrasone Edition 8 Ruthenium. If we put the "comfort, appointments and other qualities that epitomise the premium market" that the Ultrasone Edition 8 Ruthenium embodies to one side for a moment, how does it compare to the PS1000 as a high fidelity headphone? Does it reproduce recorded music as convincingly to your ears?


Edited by MrSpenkelink - 10/31/10 at 1:57am
post #44 of 96

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Originally Posted by MrSpenkelink View Post

^ I couldn't help noticing that you have a large collection of headphones, which includes the Ultrasone Edition 8 Ruthenium. If we put the "comfort, appointments and other qualities that epitomise the premium market" that the Ultrasone Edition 8 Ruthenium embodies to one side for a moment, how does it compare to the PS1000 as a high fidelity headphone? Does it reproduce recorded music as convincingly to your ears?


I don't suppose I have anything too surprising to say on this subject. The Edition 8 has better and stronger bass, and a less airy, abundant soundstage. The PS1000 I would say is tipped very slightly towards the highs, comparatively. Overall I believe I may prefer the PS1000, but the Edition 8 is probably a more practical headphone.

post #45 of 96

^ Thank you for your reply. So would it be fair to say that the Edition 8 is indeed a hi-fidelity headphone that is worthy of comparison with the PS1000 and the HD800? 

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