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post #1 of 30
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Hi All,

I hope it's okay to post this here on the general discussion forum.

Per doc's orders, I've pretty much cut back on my once favorite hobby - searching out and finding great wine deals. Now it's the gym, pretty much a vegetarian diet, and real clean (okay - boring!) living for me

Have quite a few 1988 Burgundies, including some grand crus and premier crus, some good Chateauneuf-de-Papes (including a few Beaucastel and Chateau Pegau) from the same vintage or so, even one or two Chateau Lafites (1979, I believe) and one other Bordeaux first growth (can't recall offhand which chateau) from about the same time. I also have a few bottles of Tokaj Essencia (I believe 1976s), etc., etc.

While most look beautiful - when I can bear to look at them, realistically speaking, they'll probably just be eye candy for me at this point. Fortunately, I have a good memory, so I have many pleasant memories of those tasting days. Anyway, currently, most of the stuff is stored away in a cellar (it's a cool place, but it's not a wine cellar). If any of you all are interested, I'm willing to consider swapping some (even most) for some nice gear). I also have some pretty nice scotch and other miscellaneous stuff, which I picked up in my travels here and there.

Even if not interested in any swaps, I'm curious to know if any of you all are oenophiles as well? (I still enjoy talking about fine wine, even if I don't drink it that much anymore!)

Cheers!
post #2 of 30
Over 21? Around here on are allowed to drink beer and wine from the age of 18...
There is a growing little wine lover hidden within me. Mostly fan of French red wines, something fruity with low bitter.
post #3 of 30
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Uh oh - watch out Actually, it's a great hobby, and in many ways, not all that different than our headphone hobby, in the sense that what it's about (at least to me) is appreciating art and workmanship (be it music, really well-built gear, or winemaking). Plus, with wine, the tie between nature and the bottle is a real draw (any visit to a vineyard is really a treat, just seeing the grapes on the vine)...

Now to wax nostalgic and/or long-winded...

My real favorites are the red Burgundies (Bourgogne). While some are tannic when young, it's fun to see them develop in bottle and soften up - the very best wines are the ones that are old enough that they take on a redish-orange brick color. Those were the wines that first got me hooked, and are so hard to find - as most wine is consumed young.

A few years back, I scored a lot of premier cru and even some grand cru for a steal because a wine distributor went bankrupt, so those wine merchants that had purchased wine futures from this outfit were able to claim "containers" of great wine. I ended up with a lot of Daniel Rion (from the Pommard area premier crus, as well as various other producers (I have the wine up at my house in Connecticut, so I haven't taken inventory lately), several Gevrey Chambertins, Chambolle Musigny, Volnay, etc., etc. The whole gamut from the north end of Burgundy down to the Beaujolais reason. I never bought many white Burgundies, though I love them (sigh) - and I scored several nice Sauternes too (though no D'Yquem). Mainly 1988s, as I mentioned. I guess the "hot" wines nowadays are the Rhone Chateauneuf de Pape Chateau Pegaus and the Beaucastels - I have a few Vieux Telegraphes (I'm just naming a few offhand)... The best wine I ever had was pure serendipity - I went into a wine store, and they had a cash and carry (literally - you were not allowed to take out more than you could carry). I bought three bottles of 1987 Echezeux (grand cru red burgundies) at 10 dollars each! The first one I had was probably the most well-integrated, absolutely delicious and perfect wine I've ever tasted (sounds almost like a description of the Orpheus or the R10s? ) I decided to save the other two and try one each year afterwards. Needless to say, the other two, while great, just weren't in the same league as the first.

Probably my biggest wine score, though, was down in Texas at some small place where I picked up those two bottles of Chateau Lafites - I think I bought them for something like 15 dollars a bottle? - and still have them. I know I also bought another Bordeaux first growth from that place - maybe a Chateau Latour, which I still have too! I haven't checked in a while, but I think, though, that the Chateauneuf de Papes are maybe worth more than them (probably due to Robert Parker and other Rhone lovers). I tried one of the Chateau Pegaus about a year ago or so, because the label was torn, and it was incredible (that great brick color!)

The rare times I drink a little now, it's mainly from my favorite US producer, Navarro, from Medocino county - they make great pinot noirs, as well as gewuerztraminers, rieslings, and chardonnays. Another favorite is Melville, out of California - great Chardonnay Inox Bin 76 (stainless steel) and very nice pinot noirs too.

As for the harder stuff, during my travels, I used to always pick up a bottle of Johnnie Walker Blue at the duty free (some places it was a relative steal), and, just as a couple of examples, some higher end tequila from Mexico, and in Guatemala, nice Ron Zacapas (rums) XO, etc. A real melange-

One of my favorite stories: I was in Bali several years ago and stayed in a little village called Sebali. I got to know a few of the locals during the couple of weeks I was there, and, the day before I left, I popped open a bottle of some Johnnie Walker Gold - not the Blue, but not plonk either. So, we were all sitting around the veranda, overlooking the beautiful green terraced rice fields, and I was explaining to them (as best as I could, since they spoke very little English) the fine art of sniffing, and then slowly sloshing the liquid gold in your mouth before swallo.... when I looked at these nice guys, and they had polished off their rather large size glasses in one gulp! Put me in my place I must say!

Anyhow, the enthusiasm is still there, but, as I mentioned, I'm kind of a health nut these days, and into yoga, I really just don't drink that much any more.

Another interest I had over the years was to find nice quality used books. Offhand, I also have a lot of nice art books I've purchased over the years - really haven't inventoried them for quite a while, but beginning to think of downsizing (it's the yoga thing, of course, plus the realization that I won't be able to really read everything in the 30-40 or so years I hopefully have left It would take me a bit more time to inventory them, though, than my wine (I think I have about 8 to 10 cases or so of fine wine, perhaps a little more, plus two or three cases of the nice harder stuff (scotch, cognac, etc.)...
post #4 of 30
No need to be 21. Being 16 will do here. I like white wine. Not a real fan of red wine or rosé.
post #5 of 30
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16??????!!!!!!!!! As Dorothy in the Wizard of Oz might have said, "Wow, that sure ain't Kansas!"
post #6 of 30
18 in Canuckistan. As to wine, I like wine. Not as much as gin or beer, but I'll enjoy a glass from time to time. Couldn't tell a Merlot from a Chardonnay to save my life, though.
post #7 of 30
I like wine. I'm still looking for a not too expensive quality red wine that's sweet and not at all bitter. Any recommendations? (I'm in Canada so I'm limited to the selection I can get at the LCBO). How about a good sparking white wine that's not bitter and maybe a hint of sweetness?
post #8 of 30
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Originally Posted by krmathis View Post
Over 21? Around here on are allowed to drink beer and wine from the age of 18...
There is a growing little wine lover hidden within me. Mostly fan of French red wines, something fruity with low bitter.
Around 21 seems to be the age where people appreciate alcoholic drinks more and want to get wasted less.
post #9 of 30
not sure if other countrys are the same but.........

uk drinking law actually has an age limit of 5


you just cant buy it or drink on licensed premises till much later, 16 if with food and not spirits, 18 anywhere you like.


most people just think its 18 because you cant go into odd bins and buy it till then

Erowid Alcohol Vaults : Law : Alcohol Drinking Age in the U.K. (England, Scotland, Wales)
post #10 of 30
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Originally Posted by DanielCox View Post
Around 21 seems to be the age where people appreciate alcoholic drinks more and want to get wasted less.
Not all. I know a lot of friends that enjoy and appreciate alcoholic drinks (pre-21). Sure we may once in a while go a bit over the top and get wasted, but nothing like college & university students/frat boys. Maybe I'm just hanging out with a more mature, more cultured crowd. It seams be people below the drinking age here when it's still illicit seam to drink a lot and get wasted, just because of the rush of doing it, and getting away with something illegal to them.
post #11 of 30
oh and about the original q

i really rather like very fruity reds. Fetzer do lovely things with zindfandels. so for me its cheap californian zindfandels or my other fav area / grape is rioja and tempranillo.

not big on white, zindfandels nice again or the occasional bottle of cava. waaaaay prefer cava to champagne, much too dry. french wines are all far too woody or dry for my tastes.
post #12 of 30
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Originally Posted by mark2410 View Post
not sure if other countrys are the same but.........

uk drinking law actually has an age limit of 5


you just cant buy it or drink on licensed premises till much later, 16 if with food and not spirits, 18 anywhere you like.


most people just think its 18 because you cant go into odd bins and buy it till then

Erowid Alcohol Vaults : Law : Alcohol Drinking Age in the U.K. (England, Scotland, Wales)
In most of Canada, and here in Ontario the drinking age is 18. This means you can't buy alcohol from either a store, bar, or restaurant, possess it in a public place, or be intoxicated in a public place like a bar or restaurant. It's legally acceptable to drink with parents permission and supervision on privet property, as far as I'm aware.

Any canadian's feel free to correct me.
post #13 of 30
I'm not an oenophile (though something of an insufferable beer snob) but truly enjoy fine wines. That came about mostly as a result of moving to the Willamette Valley for grad school in '94. Of course, the local beer grabbed my interest and I spent a great deal of time sampling everything. Even the little local dive bars I love so much carried local brews.

There was also a great deal of fuss made over the local pinots, so Instarted buying and drinking them. Pinot became my favorite (though I love almost any red) and this was well before Sideways. Sooner or later, I'll move back up there and fully indulge.

I also had the good fortune when a childhood friend married a wondeful wine merchant. He is wonderful at parties - Chris focuses on excellent wines that don't cost a fortune. You can always get excellent recommendations from him and he seeks out new and interesting wines. There are also two great shops in town that offer great wimes and great advice.

I don't know if I'll ever take it to the collecting level (I have enough hobbies ) but always keep a few bottles around and make it to Oregon once a year to bring a few favorites back - beer, too.

563, I hate to do this to you () but you sound like a future vinyl enthusiast. Don't worry, though. It is possible to maintain a healthy diet and lifestyle while fussing over alignment tools, installing cartridges, cleaning records, and hunting down interesting discs.
post #14 of 30
I'm not a wine expert but wine can be fantastic. Last year, I visited Paris and was so impressed with the wine there. In fact it was the best wine drinking experience I ever had! Here's the kicker: It was cheap table wine!

I found out that in Paris, cafes have access to the local vinyards of really good stuff and this stuff usually only stays in France and it's cheap. Unfortunatly, a lot of the budget good stuff does not come to the U.S and Canada. I asked wine experts about this and they confirmed that it's true sadly. However, there are some good Australian wines that I like and it's cheap. Good stuff. That being said, I long for Paris where the table wine is fabulous and truly amazing without spending lots of money.
post #15 of 30
I'm not an enthusiast by any stretch of the imagination, but I do enjoy the pinot noirs and reislings they make here in NZ.
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