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post #46 of 69
Pretty sure the Marantz had was solid aluminium tray about 1.5cm thick.
post #47 of 69
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Flaw

For those of you that have a BD-83 or upgraded.

It seems that there is a handshake issue using a HDMI cable for video. So if you use the analog outs of the Oppo and play SACD with DSD the oppo will in most cases force PCM, so the only way to get DSD to work is first turn off the Oppo, unplug the HDMI cable and of course have DSD turned on.

I should add if your HDMI cable is plunged in something that doesn't support DSD. This only applies if you use both HDMI cable and analog interconnects for audio and use your analog outs for DSD.

ss
post #48 of 69
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Pretty sure the Marantz had was solid aluminium tray about 1.5cm thick.
yeah that sounds pretty solid.
post #49 of 69
I've just received word from someone in the Modding world that both the standard BDP-83 and the SE version are tremendous platforms for the skilled Modder to work their magic. he basically said that fully modded both versions can compete with any player at any cost. He did say that once fully modded the standard and SE versions display slightly different characters. The Standard based unit has a warmer lusher character and the SE based unit is faster and more transparent with better soundstage and imaging. Both units once they are modded are truly world class players, just slightly different in character.

My SE arrives this Wednesday. Like an idiot I wasn't thinking when I placed the order and I purchased the $69 3 year warrany, which will be voided if I have anyone other than Nuforce mod the player. There's no way I'll be able to resist having this player modded for three years.

Oh well.......
post #50 of 69
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He did say that once fully modded the standard and SE versions display slightly different characters. The Standard based unit has a warmer lusher character and the SE based unit is faster and more transparent with better soundstage and imaging. Both units once they are modded are truly world class players, just slightly different in character.
That is how I would describe my BD-83 no mod.
That is also how I would describe my BD-83 se Nuforce edition, also very smooth with a very good range.

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My SE arrives this Wednesday. Like an idiot I wasn't thinking when I placed the order and I purchased the $69 3 year warrany, which will be voided if I have anyone other than Nuforce mod the player. There's no way I'll be able to resist having this player modded for three years.
That is why I went with Nuforce, plus I got in on there pre-order special (lasted 3 days). Plus they are very good to work with.

btw, after about 10 hours of use your SE will start to sound better but wait about 70-100s before it really takes off.

ss
post #51 of 69
I'm a big proponent of break-in. I have yet to encounter a component that didn't change all the way through several hundred hours of use. Some took in excess of a thousand hours to finally settle in.

I know some here will think that I'm insane, but I'm not alone.

My BDP-83SE arrives tomorrow and it'll be on repeat for at least a couple of weeks. I'll listen along the way to hear how the unit changes over time.
post #52 of 69
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I know some here will think that I'm insane, but I'm not alone.
Lots of imaginary friends in there, eh Yikes ?

fwiw, I also believe in burn-in, but the thousand hours requirement has always annoyed me. That has to be a serious chunk out of the working life of a lot of kit, surely ?
post #53 of 69
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Lots of imaginary friends in there, eh Yikes ?

fwiw, I also believe in burn-in, but the thousand hours requirement has always annoyed me. That has to be a serious chunk out of the working life of a lot of kit, surely ?
Who mentioned a thousand hour requirement? Most kit is fully broken-in sometime between 3-5 hundred hours, some is pretty much done after 100-150 hours, while rare items take substantially longer, sometimes in excess of a thousand hours. That doesn't mean that it remains un-listenable until a thousand hours. It just means that it is still experiencing some minute changes.

I seldom continue a purposeful break-in procedure after 400 hours or so. After that it's just normal use, but I occasionally continue to notice small changes for some time.

I seriously hope that a thousand hours is not a serious chunk of the working life of a lot of kit. A thousand hours is less than 7 weeks at 24/7, 12 weeks at 12 hours a day, and less than 24 weeks at 6 hours a day, that's less than 1/2 a year at 6 hours a day (Normal use?). It certainly can be a serious chunk of a power (Drive) tubes lifespan, which is one reason why I don't start any tube rolling until after I feel things have settled in. I find that tubes themselves only take 20-50 hours to settle in.

My opinions on break-in are based on my own empirical evidence gathered over the last 24 years working in the High-End industry along with 30 years of being a serious hobbyist, and also voluminous anecdotal info from countless customers along the way.

Fedex should be here soon
post #54 of 69
Touch down.

Brand spanking new, cold with zero hours, I'm decidedly unimpressed with the sound quality. Hopefully the BDP-83SE is one of those products that shows dramatic improvement with break-in. Tonight once it gets dark I'll dial in it's video to suit my projector.

It's also going to be a few days before the cables that I'm going to use to hook it up 7.1 analog to my HT get here.

So at least out of the box it's no giant killer, but the jury will remain out for at least a month.

I am looking forward to much improved video performance (I'm sure that it will spank my Samsung Blu-Ray player), and improved Multi-Channel HT 7.1 Surround performance.
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post #56 of 69
May not be a burn-in, but your ear getting used to the new system.

The perceived sound also matters on the condition of your health. If you are tired, the sound woudn't be that great. If you are fresh, all of sudden, the sounds seem to be better than yesterday.

I started to ignore any type of impressions that are based on short period of usage.
post #57 of 69
Ice cream tastes better on a hot summer day.
post #58 of 69
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Originally Posted by Yikes View Post
Touch down.

Brand spanking new, cold with zero hours, I'm decidedly unimpressed with the sound quality. Hopefully the BDP-83SE is one of those products that shows dramatic improvement with break-in. Tonight once it gets dark I'll dial in it's video to suit my projector.

It's also going to be a few days before the cables that I'm going to use to hook it up 7.1 analog to my HT get here.

So at least out of the box it's no giant killer, but the jury will remain out for at least a month.

I am looking forward to much improved video performance (I'm sure that it will spank my Samsung Blu-Ray player), and improved Multi-Channel HT 7.1 Surround performance.
Try your 2ch headphone rig for your BD film viewing. The 2ch dedicated side of the audio board and stereo downmix is this players real strength, however most reports on the SE say it does a very good job with MC.
Also my findings on the power cord is to use a Black Sand Violet V1 power cord. And for video use a Monster 1000HD HDMI (shorter run the better).

If you need help on setting up your BD-83 for audio or video just post here.

ss
post #59 of 69

help with Oppo 83

I could use some advice. I bought an Oppo 83 today (I live ten minutes from Oppo HQ, so this was relatively painless). I have it connected to a Integra DTC 9.8 pre/pro by HDMI. I also have it connected to a Chord DAC64 by digital coax. Both pre/pro and DAC64 connect to a Rotel amp. I have just as much interest in sound quality as in Bluray quality (including SACD).

Dilemma - I am wondering if I should have gotten the SE - specifically, I wonder:

1. would I get better sound quality from SACD using analog outs from 83SE
2. would the Integra pass through the analog signal, or would it do an A/D then D/A conversion on it (thereby, defeating the purpose) - I believe the Integra has Burr-Brown DACs.

Any advice would be appreciated.

SD
post #60 of 69
I'm happy to report that the BDP-83SE did improve dramatically with 300+ hours of burn-in. It's now eminently listenable.

To those who claim it was my ears that grew accustomed to the BDP-83SE's sound and that the extended burn-in made no difference except psycho-acoustically, you're wrong! I listened to the player cold and disliked it, so I put it on repeat and did not listen again until just this afternoon. It is a very different player with 300+ hours under it's belt.

I know of no $1000 CD players that are in the same league. The interesting test will be how it compares with my Exemplar Audio SACD-3000 ($6500), but that comparison will have to wait until the Exemplar is returned from Service. As it is if you listen to it's Stereo analog outputs I highly recommend the 83SE, for the money it's a steal.

Next year at some point I will have to have my 83SE modified, it's just the way that I roll.
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