I tried a couple quick searches after I saw some of the braid, but didn't find anything. Does anyone know where I can find a tutorial on how to do their braids? I have found a couple nice braids so far, even pulled off an 8 wire one, but nothing that looks as OMG! as the jena braids. Could anyone help an eager learner out?
Jena Labs braiding tutorial?
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Jenna cables look more woven than braided. yes, there is a difference!
Weaving has a single strand crossing several, in braiding all of the strands intermesh. Maybe the jenna method falls somewhere in the middle, as the weft strand is not always the same as it is in weaving fabric, but I think you will find what you are looking for as a weaving pattern.
Anyways, once you figure out how to weave the pattern you may really not want to.
The multistrand conductors have CRAZY parallel capacatances, depending on your source it could range from really bad, to mildly unideal, to really bad. At best, a woven cable has no "litz" type inherent shield effects. Bummer. I will agree though, they do look nice if you can ignore the fact that they dont work right.
Weaving has a single strand crossing several, in braiding all of the strands intermesh. Maybe the jenna method falls somewhere in the middle, as the weft strand is not always the same as it is in weaving fabric, but I think you will find what you are looking for as a weaving pattern.
Anyways, once you figure out how to weave the pattern you may really not want to.
The multistrand conductors have CRAZY parallel capacatances, depending on your source it could range from really bad, to mildly unideal, to really bad. At best, a woven cable has no "litz" type inherent shield effects. Bummer. I will agree though, they do look nice if you can ignore the fact that they dont work right.
For a short run (sub 12") using a Sansa Clip as a source running to a Total Bithead, do you think there would be an audible degradation in sound? I want to do the braid purely for aesthetics, however, that is a lot of wire to use for such a short interconnect, especially if it hurts the SQ. (I am cheap/poor).
How can Jena build a business ($11,000 for a 3 foot super cable) around a weave that can degrade the sound?
How can Jena build a business ($11,000 for a 3 foot super cable) around a weave that can degrade the sound?
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Because the person who buys it believes it improves the sound.
| Originally Posted by FraGGleR /img/forum/go_quote.gif How can Jena build a business ($11,000 for a 3 foot super cable) around a weave that can degrade the sound? |
Because the person who buys it believes it improves the sound.
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you tube ... 4 , 6 , 8 wire braids are easy at least for me depends on the type you want.
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"Degrade the sound" is a rather relative term.
For some it seems, the more the signal is degraded from a purely objective standpoint, the more they'll seem to like it from a subjective standpoint.
That's not to say that the Jena Labs wire is degrading the signal in any substantial way. Only that doing so isn't necessarily any sort of impediment to building a business.
If it were, none of the companies making single ended triode (SET) tube amps would have never got off the ground.
And by the way, I think you would be rather hard pressed to pull off that Jena Labs weave by hand.
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| Originally Posted by FraGGleR /img/forum/go_quote.gif How can Jena build a business ($11,000 for a 3 foot super cable) around a weave that can degrade the sound? |
"Degrade the sound" is a rather relative term.
For some it seems, the more the signal is degraded from a purely objective standpoint, the more they'll seem to like it from a subjective standpoint.
That's not to say that the Jena Labs wire is degrading the signal in any substantial way. Only that doing so isn't necessarily any sort of impediment to building a business.
If it were, none of the companies making single ended triode (SET) tube amps would have never got off the ground.
And by the way, I think you would be rather hard pressed to pull off that Jena Labs weave by hand.
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Yeah. Though I think FraGGler's talking about the flat weave.
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| Originally Posted by momomo6789 /img/forum/go_quote.gif you tube ... 4 , 6 , 8 wire braids are easy at least for me depends on the type you want. |
Yeah. Though I think FraGGler's talking about the flat weave.
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!!!!! Thats a intense wire right their . i dont get the point of the wire but it looks very nice i guess. a little over kill maybe .
lol, yeah, Koyaan has the wire I am talking about. I have already tried some 4 6 and 8 strand braids to nice effect, but that weave has me dreaming big (I would adapt to 6 or 8 strands so normal connectors would work). Thinking of using it as a belt or camera strap if it doesn't sound good... Overkill is what I want. I wanted to make a little mini to mini cable to connect my Clip to my E5. Both of which are cheaper than the spool of wire necessary for that weave. The ridiculousness appeals for some reason.
Ok, after looking at the picture and experimenting for about 5 minutes, I figured it out. I feel stupid for asking now since it is so simple. Shouldn't have even taken 5.
For anyone who wants to know, it is as simple as taking the outermost right hand wire and going over, under, over under, etc. depending on how many wire you use. Make sure to pull the wire parallel to the rest when done weaving or you might lose track of the weave. Just did a 6 wire weave for a mini to mini for a friend because my soldering skills are still weak and too many wires terminating in a single plug might overwhelm me. Of course as long as they are secure, I could use several strands as dummy wires with no signal running through them.
For anyone who wants to know, it is as simple as taking the outermost right hand wire and going over, under, over under, etc. depending on how many wire you use. Make sure to pull the wire parallel to the rest when done weaving or you might lose track of the weave. Just did a 6 wire weave for a mini to mini for a friend because my soldering skills are still weak and too many wires terminating in a single plug might overwhelm me. Of course as long as they are secure, I could use several strands as dummy wires with no signal running through them.
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The first word which came to mind is ridiculous.
LOL! I am definitely going to make myself ridiculous cables like that for when company comes over. Out of cheap speaker cable, mind you, not anything nice. The challenge will be finding cheap plugs that stuff will fit into. I have already run into trouble with an 8 wire weave and a Neutrik mini.
The problem with Jena cables is they have a reputation for introducing echos in the music, which I'm guessing is that parallel capacitance Nikongod was talking about. In one review, a reviewer raves about them, saying how he could hear these faint voices in the background he'd never heard before in the music, thinking it was extra detail. Oops!
Of course, how they connect 25 wires to a small spade lug, RCA or XLR plug is something to seriously wonder about.
Of course, how they connect 25 wires to a small spade lug, RCA or XLR plug is something to seriously wonder about.
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Echos? Capacitance isn't going to introduce any echos (or any cable for that matter). It will just limit high frequency response is all.
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| Originally Posted by Currawong /img/forum/go_quote.gif The problem with Jena cables is they have a reputation for introducing echos in the music, which I'm guessing is that parallel capacitance Nikongod was talking about. |
Echos? Capacitance isn't going to introduce any echos (or any cable for that matter). It will just limit high frequency response is all.
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Hi,
could tell me a it more about these echos?
Do you have personal experience with the Jena labs cables?
I have recently bought a used fugue XLR pair which has not arrived yet, after reading the tread I'm not sure if I should somehow regret it evenso the price was low.
Originally I was thinking of buying the 8-22 Headphone cable for my LCD3, has anyone experience with this particular cable?
I hope some can give me some advice.
Regards
Dirk
Hi,
could tell me a it more about these echos?
Do you have personal experience with the Jena labs cables?
I have recently bought a used fugue XLR pair which has not arrived yet, after reading the tread I'm not sure if I should somehow regret it evenso the price was low.
Originally I was thinking of buying the 8-22 Headphone cable for my LCD3, has anyone experience with this particular cable?
I hope some can give me some advice.
Regards
Dirk
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