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post #1 of 13
Thread Starter 
Hello everyone, I just got a new digital cable receiver at home because I had problems in the past with receiving the digital signal (i have a humax digital receiver, the ivox i believe). We immediately put in the right frequencies and updated the software. We activated the smartcard and turned the unit on. But, we could not receive certain stations and other stations had blocks in the screen and the sound was not good. We looked in the settings and the signal strength was 26 and the quality was 100. Now we immediately connected the receiver to the signal source (where the signal enters the house) using a 5 meter good quality coax cable. The signal strength now was 36. We called the cable company and they recommend that we change the cable that goes through the wall to the connector in our living room (that cable is 10 meters) and that we buy a antenna signal amplifier from hirschman. I discussed this with my sister but then I thought maybe the signal that I get into my home, so straight from the source, is not up to scratch. I mean and this is the main question, can a 5 meter long good quality coax cable that I connect directly to the signal source already cause signal loss? If so then they are right and an amplifier might help but we are all very doubtful that this is the case Electronica experts please give me some help in this situation, is the signal that comes into my home faulty or should an amplifier and better cable do the trick?
Thanks in advance for any expertise/information.
Greetings, Anouk,
post #2 of 13
I doubt it. No way should a cable attenuate that much. If the quality is good then an amplifier could work.
post #3 of 13
It really sounds to me like the signal coming from the cable company is weaker than it should be. As DanielCox said above, even a 10m cable should not cause that much attenuation. I have some very long runs of coax in my house, since my antenna is in the attic (I don't have cable) and the signal still gets through very well.

I'd say either you need a quality amplifier, as they recommended, or they need to check the integrity of the connection on their end. The latter, in my experience, is usually easier said than done- companies hate it when something like that is their fault...
post #4 of 13
Agreed. An amplifier should do the trick. I get week signal at my cabin in Wisconsin and when they made the DTV switch, we needed an amp to boost the signal to a watching level.
post #5 of 13
What is that signal strength 26 means? Is it in dBmV? If it is then it might be too high for the tuner. It should be between +/- 15dBmV and you want it at the center, 0 dBmV. So instead of amplifying the signal, you may want to attenuate it down with an in-line attenuator. Place the attenuator at the cable input to your house.
post #6 of 13
Thread Starter 
Hi, No I know for sure it is not too high. The cable company specefically tols me on more then one occation that it was too low and that 40 was the recommended lowest treshold for watchable tv, so even at 5m from my entry point with a good cable the signal was below the recommended standard strength.
Greetings, Anouk,
post #7 of 13
You still need to know what is the unit of that signal strength 40 is. When you buy an amplifier, you need to know how much you need to amplify the signal, is it by 10db, 15db, etc...
post #8 of 13
Thread Starter 
Hello, I thought about it. I guess it could be db/mv because what the humax receiver is showing is not the ACTUAL value of the signal strenght but only arelative percentage like 26percent. I know however that my webstar cable modem does show its signal strength in db/mv but the modem does show actual signal strength unlike the digital receiver.
Greetings, Anouk,
post #9 of 13
It's probably best to make a fuss - if the signal strength is too low than it's the company's fault and they need to sort things at your UBR.
post #10 of 13
Thread Starter 
Hi Dan, I just talked to a friend and he says I should ask someone with a spectrum analyzer but he too thinkt that the signal is probbably too low (so that it is the companys fault) because according to him if you have a good 5m long cable that you connect to the source then there should not be all that much signal loss. I have really no wish to buy an amplifier and a new cable and have someone install that new cable when it is the fault of the company. I guess I will check some of my facts and call them again and ask them to send someone over so that they can do the spectrum analyzing.

Greetings, Anouk
post #11 of 13
Thread Starter 
Hello, well I just called my cable company. They can send someone but if it is not a problem of their signal then i have to pay them 45 euro. According to the woman its probbably the cable but I do not think so. My brother and my family do have a signal of 47 IN THEIR LIVING ROOM and they use CRAP cables. He does not know what their signal is at the source. I have a signal of 36 at the source and 25 near my desk. I also tried the signal before and after the filter and that gave only a difference of 3 so I suppose the internet/tv splitter is working. I think i will indeed have to exchange the cable i use from the source to the connection point in my room but i doubt it will stop my troubles because even when i connect from source I still cent get certain tv channels. I now also know what cable I have and I think its a good one so I think the people at the ocmpany are talking rubbish and the signal I am getting is the more or less acurate one that is at the source, my cable is a profigold high performance hdtv antenna interconnect and there is more info about it on the profigold website PROFIGOLD - FEEL THE EXPERIENCE From what I gather there I think the cable is good enough. I am now going to buy a hirschman cable to replace the cable that is in the wall and maybe an amplifier will do the trick but I do think that I have too little signal here.
Greetings, Anouk
post #12 of 13
That Profigold is an HDMI cable that connects your set top box to your tv/monitor.

A CATV QAM spectrum analyzer will show the signal throughout the CATV bandwidth and it will also show if there are other signals that is causing distortion or noise.

Another measure of the quality of the digital signal is the short term and long term bit error rates. If you are seeing a high bit error rate, that could cause the macroblocking that you described.

Also, your digital cable receiver can also have a defect.
post #13 of 13
Thread Starter 
Hi wu, no i think that profigold page lists more cables because its a coax cable. I normally dont use a monitor at all because I am blind i like the digital receiver because it takes up little space and I dont need a monitor to use it. I connect it to my corda symphony through an optical cable. I called my cable company yesterday they will be here tomorrow. I will tell you what they say.
Greetings, Anouk
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